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blackcat153
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No problem Fiona - I might even manage to get in this week, with luck.
Only problem might be that they are doing some maintenance work at present, so some documents have had to be stored off-site - if yours are amongst that lot ( which I won't know till I get there), they have to be ordered up 24 hours in advance, and I may not be able to stay in Edinburgh for that. If that's the case, it would be after New Year.
Gather it was William Crumley AD14/71/16 and JC26/1871/19. ?
I can look at papers and just jot down notes, post them to you on this website.
If you want copies, either I could order and pay for them to be sent out , as they have to be scanned by photgraphics dept which takes about 7 -10 days. (In which case, we'd need to figure out a safe way of exchanging addresses), or else I can just give you details, and you could try ordering them up long-distance. Are you in UK?
Janice
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fiona g
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Janice
Thanks.There is no hurry.
not William Grumley though but John Burnside and his wife Hannah Burnside nee Sanderson
related record JC26/1863/97
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John was sentenced at Jedburgh Sherriff court 1863....
crime- theft and reset of theft.Wondering what they stole  .John got 15months in Perth prison his wife got off without sentence.
I know after John was out of prison they used the surname Burns instead of Burnside and moved to Glasgow.Do you need any other info.
If you find the info relating to John can you private message the results to me, due to copyright issues.
Fiona
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blackcat153
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Oops, sorry, Fiona - I was looking at the wrong post.
That's probably enough info - leave it with me, and I'll let you know if I find anything. You'll need to talk me through how to do the private post bit, as I'm a new kid on this forum!
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fiona g
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Hi Janice
glad you worked out the PM.
I would think Lass would appreciate a look up also for William Crumley.Im sure she will be in touch.
Fiona
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blackcat153
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Will do! - have details.
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fiona g
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thanks so much
Fiona
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GrandmaSheila
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Eva Margaret Rose
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I also found an ancestor in Perth Prison in the 1851 Census - Alexander Black aged 48 b1803 Liberton, Edinburgh. Unfortunately I too have been unable to find any information on why he should be there, he died in January 1878 in a Pit Accident in Fife. 
Grandma
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw. Wilkinson: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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fiona g
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Hi Grandma
There is an Alexander Black junior,on NAS online,possibilty it could be your Alexander as sentence date fits with census date.
Fiona
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GrandmaSheila
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Eva Margaret Rose
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Thats the one - Alexander Black 47 and his son Alexander Sime Black 20.
Thank you for your help!!
Grandma
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw. Wilkinson: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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Chiad Fhear
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Aye mair questions than answers!
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Fiona
I've an interest in this one with GrandmaSheila ... can you post us the link to the page please?
Ah cannae mak heid nor tail o' thon National Archives!
Chiad Fhear
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Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited! Family surnames being researched ... Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson Drummond, Pearson, Laing ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more! Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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blackcat153
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I actually got back to Sheila on this one in a private message - looked when I was in Archives on Monday, but problems on their system meant that I couldn't get hold of the actual documents that day. Will try again after New Year break. However, did get more info on actual charge. I'm new at this chat system, and not sure what is and isn't allowed to be published on general chat so can send you private message if you want?
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Chiad Fhear
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Aye mair questions than answers!
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Please do blackcat153
Chiad Fhear
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Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited! Family surnames being researched ... Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson Drummond, Pearson, Laing ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more! Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lass
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Hey all
Sorry for going missing for a while, got your message Blackcat thank you so much - absolutely no urgency on my part (as you may have noticed!!!) and I'm just extremely grateful to you for offering to look up my naughty ancestor!
I promise to keep in touch as come the New Year I plan to get stuck back in!
Lass x
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Jessie Thomson
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Hi again,  Only found two records for a William Crumley. However, he's a lot younger than your William (born c. 1844) and this one was found not guilty. The reference numbers for his records are AD14/71/16 and JC26/1871/19. Other info included is that he was a tinsmith.  hume24 |
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Jessie Thomson
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Sorry about the previous quote - I am new to the system and made a codswallop of it.
I have an antecedent William Thomson who was in Perth prison in 1881 according to Ancestry. He was born in 1852 in Coull Aberdeenshire so was aged 29 when in prison. I don't know when he went "inside" or what for, or the length of is sentence. He was however out in 1891 and back at Coull. Why would he be in Perth prison and not Aberdeen? Was it perhaps the seriousness of his crime?
I too have had terrible trouble trying to access the national Archive but it would appear that hume24 and Lass have done quite well so if there is anyone who could help I would really appreciate the assistance.
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