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Isabel H
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Re: Perth Prison
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 12 March 09 19:53 UTC (UK) »
Was she from Glasgow? If so, there are two possible entries in the NAS catalogue. Just type in her name and tick the box that says phrase.  http://www.nas.gov.uk/
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jackiesim18
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Re: Perth Prison
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 12 March 09 20:16 UTC (UK) »
no she was born in kilmarnock but live her married life in dunfermline.

I tried the nas but dind't come up with anything useful most interesting all the same.  Will try again with what you suggest. and let you know
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jackiesim18
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Re: Perth Prison
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 12 March 09 20:25 UTC (UK) »
still can't find her either under eliza or elizabeth fleming or brown.  She was there as she appears in the 1881 census in perth prison.  It may have toremain a mystery why she was there.  thanks anyway
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Isabel H
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Re: Perth Prison
« Reply #48 on: Thursday 12 March 09 22:57 UTC (UK) »
That's a pity. Our family's jailbird got a mention in Perth Prison Convict Journals. The NAS Reference is HH21/47/4 for one covering 10 Apr 1877-17 Sep 1879. It's a bit early but might be worth a look to see if she was there then.
People were sometimes held in local jails to await trial and transferred to Perth General prison after sentencing. There was a prison in Dunfermline  but I can't find any records. There might be something in the Sheriff Court records or local newspapers of the period.
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JAP
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Re: Perth Prison
« Reply #49 on: Friday 13 March 09 03:29 UTC (UK) »
Hello jacquisim18,

The 1881 census record for Eliza FLEMING or BROWN in the Perth Prison gives her birth year as ca 1841 and birthplace as Kilmarnock, Ayrshire.

The 1857 records in the NAS are for an Eliza FLEMING, native of Glasgow BUT it is interesting that the age of the 1857 Eliza was 17 - a match for the 1881 Eliza ...

AD14/57/52     Precognition against Eliza Fleming, Robert Speirs for the crime of theft     1857    This record is Open
JC26/1857/205    Trial papers relating to Eliza Fleming for the crime of theft. Tried at High Court, Glasgow    1 Oct 1857

Clicking on the reference numbers takes one to further information.
For the first reference:
Eliza Fleming, Age: 17, Address: Residing with Mrs Duffy, Tentine Close, Trongate, Glasgow, Origin: Native of Glasgow Robert Speirs, alias Campbell, Kenneth; Kilwinning, James, Age: 26, Address: Saltmarket, Glasgow, Origin: Native of Greenock, Renfrew
For the second reference:
Eliza Fleming, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Imprisonment - 12 months. Note: Pannel to serve sentence in the general prison at Perth.

Do you have other information (census entries, marriage record) for your Eliza?

Regards,

JAP
PS (Added later): I had a bit of a look and found Eliza 2 with her parents in Kilmarnock in 1841, her marriage to William BROWN in 1856, their children - first two (1857, 1859 in Tradeston Glasgow, the rest in Dunfermline).  William (a joiner b Dunfermline) & Eliza and family in Dunfermline in 1861 and 1871.  In 1881, when presumably Eliza was in the prison, William and 3 children are back in Tradeston Glasgow.
None of this helps with finding what Eliza did which landed her in prison but it's slightly interesting that your Eliza was actually in Glasgow in 1857 ...
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mckenzie20
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Re: Perth Prison
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 17 March 09 11:55 UTC (UK) »
Hello,

Did you manage to find out about your relative who was in Perth prison?

I also have a relative William Brackenridge who was in Perth prison in 1881 but I have been unable to find out why. I have used http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/

Please can you advise of the source that you used so that I can do the same for William.

Regards,

Colin.
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