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Topic: Confusion - being at 2 places at once in 1871. (Read 235 times)
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Marontog
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In 1871 my great-grandmother, Sarah Jane Burlison, b. 1843 in Bradford, was unmarried and living with her birth family. In 1881 she is recorded as living with her husband, John Limbert, b. 1846 in Knaresborough, in Bradford with 2 sons and 2 daughters. 2 of these children were born in 1865 and 1869. There is no record of any marriage between John and Sarah, so how can she have 2 young children in the 1860s and be unmarried and living with her parents in 1871?
I am most confused and it is driving me mad!
Please help, Marontog
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suzard
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maybe the children were John limberts -he could have been previously married?
Suz
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avm228
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Hello Marontog and a warm welcome to Rootschat 
The most obvious possibility seems to me to be that they are children of John from a previous marriage or relationship. I haven't yet looked at the census images, but as a rule the man would have been designated head of household and the relationships of other household members (including "son" and "daughter") are relationships to him.
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Have you found John in 1871 to establish that the children were not with him?
I see him with his mother in 1861: RG9/3316/14/21
...but not yet in 1871. 
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Mum44
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Welome to Rootschat 
Well, as the others have said, the most likely explanation is John was married previously.
This looks as if it could be John and Sarah's marriage although his name is given as Lambert
q4. 1874 Darlington Vol. 10a Pg. 40 Sarah Jane Burlison and John Lambert on the same page
It is the only one I can see for a Sarah Jane Burlison.
The certificate should confirm whether John was a widower.
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it looks like Ann and John William's surname was Burlison -and were most probaly illegit children of Sarah jane
1871 Sarah is with parents and also her parents grandchidren : Anne A Burlison age 5 b. bradford and John Wm Burlison age 1 b. bradford
Suz
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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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avm228
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Oh, well done Suz
Birth reg:
Anne Atchison Burlison Dec 1865 Bradford 9b 68
(there's also, oddly, an Annie Atchinson Burlison Mar 1868 Bradford 9b 96....)
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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And another birth reg:
John William Burlison Dec 1869 Bradford 9b 79
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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avm228
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Hmmmm....
Submitted IGI record (hence huge pinch of salt required)
Anne Atchison Burlison
Birth: 20 SEP 1865 Bradford East, Yorkshire, England
Father: Espin Pickard
Mother: Mary Newby
I've absolutely no idea what to make of this at the moment
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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1871
No 1 off Mulberry St
Bradford Yorks
Robert burlison head M 37 Joiner Eglestone Durham
Ann wife 63 Bradford
Sarah jane daughter U 27 Stuff Weaver Bradford
james son U 21 no occ affliction spinal complaint bradford
Anne A granddaughter 5 bradford
John Wm grandson 1 bradford
Henrietta Roshan? Lodger U 20 stuff Weaver bradford
RG10 4460 7 8
Is robert's age incorrect? if not I don't think he could be Sarah jane's father?
Suz
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my oh my -think that is yet another fairytale on IGI!!!!
Suz
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avm228
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my oh my -think that is yet another fairytale on IGI!!!!
Suz
A bizarre one indeed!
FWIW, another IGI submission (perhaps less fanciful):
SARAH JANE BURLISON
Birth: 02 JUN 1843 Horton By Bradford, Yorkshire, England
ROBERT BURLISON
ANN CLAYTON
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Marontog
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Have you found John in 1871 to establish that the children were not with him? I see him with his mother in 1861: RG9/3316/14/21 ...but not yet in 1871. Anna I've said thanks for the welcome but it hasn't shown up. No, I can't find John in 1871. Marontog |
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