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Aunt Sally
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Hello!
Does anyone know if "phthisis" , also known as TB or consumption was common in the Hertfordshire villages in the 1880s?
I have two ancestors who lived in a Hertfordshire village, who died of it aged 15 and 26.
I would have thought it would have been less common in the countryside.
Any info, thoughts, or maybe someone reading this has ancestors in Herts who died from it around the same time.
Best wishes,
Aunt Sally
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Durham - Brown, Sykes, Cunningham, Morby, Dunn
Oxfordshire - Morby/Moreby/Morbey, Gennings
Worcestershire - Tandy, Tibbetts, Poppett
Yorkshire - Sykes, Kaywood, Brown
Staffordshire - Tibbetts
Ireland - Cunningham
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bearkat
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TB was certainly more common in the overcrowded towns.
The only way to find out how they died is the get their death certificates. Yes, that does mean paying. 
I was in a similar situation. At first I resisted the temptation but eventually gave in. I found that one child died of whooping cough the other of respiratory problems. It didn't add to my tree but helped me understand the issues our families faced.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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Aunt Sally
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Thanks Bearkat.
I´ve got their death certs, that´s how I know they died of phthisis - had never heard of it before. It just seems odd that village dwellers, and two in the same family, should die of it, their deaths being six years apart.
Aunt Sally
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Durham - Brown, Sykes, Cunningham, Morby, Dunn
Oxfordshire - Morby/Moreby/Morbey, Gennings
Worcestershire - Tandy, Tibbetts, Poppett
Yorkshire - Sykes, Kaywood, Brown
Staffordshire - Tibbetts
Ireland - Cunningham
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bearkat
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Village people would have visited large towns where TB more common. Family living in close contact would easily have caught it. It could even have been spread in schools.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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Galium
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I'm not sure when it became usual for milk to be pasteurised, but until that time milk from infected cattle was one way that humans got TB.
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Aunt Sally
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Good points!
Suppose it was always around, there didn´t have to be an epidemic or sudden outbreak of it.
Aunt Sally
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Durham - Brown, Sykes, Cunningham, Morby, Dunn
Oxfordshire - Morby/Moreby/Morbey, Gennings
Worcestershire - Tandy, Tibbetts, Poppett
Yorkshire - Sykes, Kaywood, Brown
Staffordshire - Tibbetts
Ireland - Cunningham
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bearkat
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I'd forgotten about unpasteurised milk. We take things for granted nowadays.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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Maggott
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I don't think the six years apart is so odd, you know. The second person to die might have contracted it quite independentlyof the first. And of course TB can be a chronic disease so patients are ill for some while before they eventually succumb.
When I was younger I know several people who'd had TB. To my kids it's something out of history, like the plague. (Yes, I know both are about still, but neither affect us so much in UK  )
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Milk from turberculin tested accredited herds only became common in the 1930s.
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Rick
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TB was a great problem in England well into the 20th Century until the advent of mass immunization and antibiotics. The pulmonary TB infection is usually spread by droplets in the air from infected individuals. Whilst it was more common in urban areas because of the density of the population rural dwellers were also at risk.
For example, folk went from villages to markets in nearby towns. Goods were brought from the towns into villages. The villagers would congregate in the church on Sundays and the clergy and their wives and daughters would visit the sick in the parish. All these normal everyday movements and events could help with the spread of the disease. Drinking unpasteurized milk may also have increased the risk of developing the disease.
Today folk are tested before being given the BCG vaccine to see if they have any antibodies against the disease – many do because they have come into contact with an infected person and their body’s defences have sprung into action to give them immunity. Those who do not develop this immunity run the risk of contracting the disease and so are given the BCG immunization. Historically it would be safe to assume that a similar situation was present and some individuals would develop immunity and others less fortunate would develop the disease because immunization was not available.
Rick
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Aunt Sally
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Thanks to all for all these interesting replies!
Fascinating stuff!
Aunt Sally
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Durham - Brown, Sykes, Cunningham, Morby, Dunn
Oxfordshire - Morby/Moreby/Morbey, Gennings
Worcestershire - Tandy, Tibbetts, Poppett
Yorkshire - Sykes, Kaywood, Brown
Staffordshire - Tibbetts
Ireland - Cunningham
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Lady Di
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Two children of my 3 x great G'parents died in Buntingford in the mid 1850's. The first was only 6 mths old - cause of death was Bronchitis. The second was in 1852, a girl aged 7 who died from "Medanteric Disease" which I believe is related to TB and the consumption of "fresh" milk.
I believe this was one of the reasons why the family immigrated to Australia. Sadly 4 of their other children died in Oz of the same disease - albeit when they were in their 20's. 
Di
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Aunt Sally
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Hello Lady Di,
my ancestors lived and died in Great Hormead, just two miles away from Buntingford.
Aunt Sally
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Durham - Brown, Sykes, Cunningham, Morby, Dunn
Oxfordshire - Morby/Moreby/Morbey, Gennings
Worcestershire - Tandy, Tibbetts, Poppett
Yorkshire - Sykes, Kaywood, Brown
Staffordshire - Tibbetts
Ireland - Cunningham
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Lady Di
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Hi Aunt Sally,
I also have ancestors from the Hormeads. My 7 xgreat g'father was the Vicar of Little and Great Hormead in the mid 1700's. He may have married/buried/baptised some of your folk  .
Di
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