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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 14:34 BST (UK) »

The "Excelsior" looks a bit like it...
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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 15:15 BST (UK) »

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The "Excelsior" looks a bit like it...

The Excelsior has 5 columns of windows each side. The pub in the picture is a different shape - it has 6 windows on one side and only 3 on the side facing us ( and note the Window Tax avoidance work).
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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 15:20 BST (UK) »



Where did the picture come from Paul ? is that gentleman one of your relatives ??

You said you only thought it was Liverpool .... where else could it be ??

You might try Scottie Press .... or heres another site to try .....

http://www.merseypub.com/

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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 15:34 BST (UK) »

The Excelsior which was in Troughton St also wasn't on a corner Angry


Just had a look through all the pubs in 1914 and nothing on the corner of Huh?? Place.
Mind you, maybe they only included a side road if there was an entrance to the pub on it. Seems all the pubs in Liverpool were on a corner Grin

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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 15:43 BST (UK) »

I think we need Paul to come back on line and post a better resolution scan of the road sign and lamp.

I have loaded it into my photo manipulation package, but there is just not quite enough detail.

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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 16:15 BST (UK) »

It looks like it was a corner pub,also I can't see how many windows from this picture..


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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 16:21 BST (UK) »

That one is the Excelsior on the corner of Dale Street and Johnson Street. As you can see from that picture, above the ground level there are 5 columns of windows of equal size on each side - so it's basically a square building. The one we are looking for is rectangular.
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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 17:27 BST (UK) »

Hi,

Wow, this thread seems to have generated some interest since last night!!!  Smiley

Right....here goes with the answers to the questions that have been asked.

1.) I said 'thought it might be Liverpool' purely because I haven't as yet 100% identified the subject of the photo. I'm almost certain it's Liverpool though. Can't think of anywhere else it would be. In any case, from the limited reading I've done, Threlfall's Brewery were based in Liverpool and Salford only.

2.) Although the photo is small, and the man can't be seen in much detail, from his stance, and general size, it would appear to be my Great Grandfather. I obtained the photo from his daughter, my mum's aunty, although she didn't identify him.

3.) Interestingly, someone mentioned 'Hudson Place'. Now.....whilst I hadn't said so, I was of the opinion that it might be 'Hodson Place'. If so, this would place the pub in question in Everton, on the corner of Hodson Place and Margaret Street. If this is the case, then I belive that it's still standing...it can be seen from West Derby Road if you look over to the right of the Water Tower in Everton.

4.) I will try to post a higher resolution picture this evening.

Many thanks for the assistance everyone!

Paul

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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 17:35 BST (UK) »

No pub on the corner of Margaret St and Hodson Place unfortunately Sad

Hopefully if you can enhance the photo we may sort this out.

Cheers
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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 17:43 BST (UK) »

The other end of Hodson Place is on Everton Road... with a pub on the corner called "The Clock" ( per my 1911 Directory - the proprietor at that time was John Longshaw)
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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 17:53 BST (UK) »

Sarah St also borders Hodson Place and there is a pub called The Dolphin.

Got to be one of those two.

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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 18:07 BST (UK) »

Hi

I think with the magnifying glass it could just as easy be Hodson.

Also, this afternoon, I've seen a pub called the Clock and pondered as it had the right structure and window arrangement apart from one major thing.  Might be the door had moved or similar, and a complete different look.  That's surface, though.

It might be the one that said it was acoffeee shop now.

Only thin ng is, was it your site, or my book?  Here goes!

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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 21:47 BST (UK) »



Wonder if it could be one of these ??  Undecided

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In the 60s Cazneau Street ran straight up from St. Anne street, across Juvenal Street and up to Scottie and there was a pub called the Clock on the corner of Juvey and one on the corner of Horatio Street next to Lawrence Gardens

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4848&page=2

http://www.carling.com/beerfinder/venue_details/10784/liverpool/The%20Clock
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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 21:58 BST (UK) »

Hi...

Computer keeps crashing..so very quickly...!!!  Cry

1.) Street name is definately 'Hodson Place'. Found powerful magnifying glass. Can see it quite clearly.

2.) Thanks to big magnifying glass, now not even sure who the bloke is, as he appears to have a moustache, which my great grandfather did not have.

Still.....who cares.....I'm intrigued to find out which pub this now anyway!!!!  Smiley

Paul
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Re: Can anyone identify this old Liverpool Pub please?
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 22:03 BST (UK) »

Just compared photo with that of the Clock.

Two different pubs as far as I can see..... Smiley

Paul
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