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Topic: Completed: Alexander Scott in Pitneycalder - Aberdour - Aberdeenshire (Read 382 times)
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Piglet01
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Hello
Some help needed please - possibly on the MI front and the '61 and '71 census.
Doing some research for my uncle who is a Scott (only started yesterday). Got back to a marriage of an Alexander Scott to a Christian Piper/Pyper on 20 Dec 1794.
They had at least 2 children; (IGI Extracted) (Alexr Scott)
1. Alexander Scott b: 1799 in Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland c: 11 Feb 1799 in Tyrie, Aberdeenshire
2. John Scott b: 1802 in Tyrie, c: 13 Jul 1802 in Tyrie, Aberdeenshire married a Margaret Gerrard on 17 Dec 1826
It's the John Scott line I'm following and I've got his will from SP - He died on 20th April 1880 in Aberdour. (farmer at Pitneycalder. Parish of New Aberdour)
In the 1841 census he's an ag lab and 1851 census a farmer of 98 acres at Pitneycalder/Pitniecalder in Aberdour.
They had 6 children and its from the last of these, Samuel Scott b. 24 March 1838, Aberdour, Aberdeenshire that my uncle is descended
My query is:
I've downloaded a will from SP for an Alexander Scott - farmer at Pitneycalder who died on 03 March 1950. Is this the father of 'my' John?
In the 1841 Freecen census there is a 75 year old Alexander and a 75 yr old Jannet with an 40 years Elizabeth Scott at Pitneycalder. (also a 14 yr old ag lab William Scott is in the 8 strong household.
There is also a second (8 strong) Scott family at the same address headed up by 'my' John and his wife Margaret (Wood)
The will I've downloaded has him (Alexander) dividing his estate in 3 - to his wife 'Janet Birnie or Scott, my lawful spouse'. daughter Janet and son John.
Is this 'my' Alexander, Christian Piper having died and he's re-married a Janet Birnie? Can't find evidence of this on the IGI?
Any thoughts or inputs would be welcome.
Thanks very much. Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Steve
It certainly "feels" like you have the correct Alexander Snr's entries. Likely he may have remarried going by his will. I found this entry in 1851, thinking of the Elizabeth who showed at the household of Alexander and Janet:
Helen Birnie 71, b. Tyrie
Elizabeth Scott 50, neice, b. Tyrie
Address: High Street, New Aberdour
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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MonicaLesl
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Just following through on the Elizabeth we have. She was obviously born before your John Scott. I wonder if the Janet Birnie who shows as wife to Alexander, was originally maiden name Duncan. There is this marriage:
JOHN BIRNIE and JANET DUNCAN Marriage on 29 NOV 1796 in Tyrie
Three chldren show to them on IGI, including this entry:
ELIZABETH BIRNIE Christening on 05 MAY 1799 in Tyrie
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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MonicaLesl
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This is John and Margaret in 1861 (and in 1871), in Pitneycalder. Everyone showing as born in Aberdour:
John Scott 58, Farmer Of 109 Acres, Farmer Of 140 Ac Asa Employing 4 Ser, b. Tyrie
Margaret Scott 60, b. Aberdour
George Scott 25
Samuel Scott 23
Margaret Barclay 3, granddaughter
Helen Beddie 20, servant
Alexander Gerrard 14, servant
Jane Pirrie 21, domestic servant
And in 1871:
John Scott 68
Margaret Scott 71
William Scott 44
Samuel Scott 6, grandchild
William Cassie 12, servant
Gordon Geddes 12, servant
William Laird 14, servant
Elizabeth Youngson 19, servant
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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Bill Fraser
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Hi Folks,
The full text from 195 Peathill MI is:-In memory of ALEXANDER SCOTT, late farmer Pitneycalder, Auchmedden, died 3 March 1850, aged 83: his two wives CHRISTIAN PYPER, died 5 Jan 1804, aged 36: JANET BIRNIE, died 2 Mar 1850, aged 85.
Regards
Bill
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Grothenwell
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Sad that he died the day after his second wife; a broken heart perhaps?
Do you have any further details on his first wife, Christian Pyper? I have an Isabella Pyper of a similar era, but I believe from Belhelvie.
Grothenwell.
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Aberdeenshire; Brechin, Robb, Clark, Hardie, Johnston, Watt, Elmslie, Milne, Harper, Adam, Edmond, Laing, Gibson, Aedie, Jameson, Tosche, Measonne, Anderson, Moir, Nicol, Burnet, Donaldson, Guthrie, Argo & Doverty.
Booth, Watson, Grothenwell, Ewen, Mackie, Simpson, Taylor, Davidson, Willox, Chalmers & Gordon
Still, Fraser, Robertson & Lumsden
Banffshire; Cruickshank, West
Caithness; Sutherland
Herefordshire & Worcester & Monmouthshire; Wagstaff, Jones &
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Bill Fraser
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Sorry, no information on CHRISTIAN PYPER, these folks are not in my tree, just extracted details from my copy of Peathill MI book.
Regards.
Bill
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Piglet01
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Hello Bill
Thanks very much for your input...... I was speaking to my uncle who lives in Inverbervie this morning about my findings on his family to date and mentioned the 2 wives of Alexander. Looks as though we'll head up to Peathill one day, then Aberdour cemetry - your post is very much appreciated...
Grothenwell - sorry same as Bill - no info on Christian, but admit I haven't had time to do a decent search, but don't expect to find much...
If I find anything - shall post it.
FYI, came across this link on my travels which has 30 plus Pypers - but no Isabella.
http://brocher.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=brocher&view=8&tview=0&rand=193132892&lastname=Pyper
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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flst
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I am a direct descendant of Alexander & Christian (nee Pyper )Scott. They are my gt.gt.gt.gt.grandparents. Samuel Scott & Margaret Wood are my gt.gt.grandparents so it appears I'm related to Piglet's uncle! Can I help you with any further info on the Scott family?
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Piglet01
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Hello flst,
The power of the Internet.... ;O) Welcome to Rootschat.
Shall send you a pm with a few queries. Am more than willing to exchange any info. Samuel and Margaret had 5 children that I know about so am looking forward to any info that you're able/willing to pass on. My uncle is descended from Alexander Scott b. 03 Mar 1872, Aberdour, Aberdeenshire. He married twice, but I'm stumped as to his death - a feeling it was during WW1 - posted a message on the WW1 board, but no luck so far, and no further forward. (Have since found his first wife). http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314257.msg1953913.html#msg1953913
Regards, Steve :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Roxburgh: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson
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flst
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Alexander's 2nd wife,Jannet Birnie is the daughter of Andrew Birnie & his wife Margaret Cardno. She was born 8th July 1765, in Upper Boyndie,Tyrie. Her sister,Helen, is next door in Pitneycalder,in the 1841 census. Helen is living in High Street,New Aberdour with her niece Elizabeth Scott in 1851 census.
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Alexander Scott & Christian Pyper had a daughter,Elizabeth,born c1800. She died,a spinster, on 31 December 1882 in New Aberdour.
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Piglet01
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I'll close this thread now and we can discuss off board.
Thanks to all who have given their help.
Update: Following another search on SP today found that Alexander Scott b. 03 Mar 1872, died in Aberdeen in 1925.
Regards, Steve :O)
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