yani
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I have been reading lots of postings on the site, and thought maybe someone could help me.
In 1841 I have found Henry Hallandell c 1802 living in Lambeth with 9 year old son George. Henry is a staymaker.
HO107/1058/6/50/21
In 1851 he appears with a 30 year old wife Agnes in Islington. He is still a stay maker. They have 3 daughters 7 and under, a sister in law Elizabeth Skinner living with them, and also a 16 year old daughter Emily......possibly a daughter of an earlier marriage for Henry. The son George is not with them. Name now Hallandal.
HO107/1500/473/9
!871 Henry and Agnes are still in Islington with more children. Name again Hallandal.
RG10/280/83/48
Try as I might, I cannot find this family in 1851, nor can I find daughter Emily in 1841, or son George in 1851. I think George arrived in Victoria, Australia in 1857.
If anyone can find any of these people in the appropriate years, it would be most helpful.
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1861 - RG9/131; Folio: 39; Page: 20 - Islington St Mary
2, Waddington Cottages
Henry Hollandal [sic] 59 Head Stay Maker Westminster
Agnes Hollandal 40 Wife do
Agnes Hollandal 17 dau Artificial Florist Lambeth
Emma Hollandal 12 dau Islington
Catherine Hollandal 10 do do
Clara Hollandal 4 do do
Alice Hollandal 7 do do
Ellen Hollandal 7 do do
Henry Hollandal 1 son do
Has Henry got a brother Edwin ?
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lizdb
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This might be a related family - Edwin a bro of henry maybe?
Rg9 278 23 5
19 lucas Street St George
Edwin Hallendal 54 staymaker bn St Annes Soho
Mary 40 bn Rotherhithe
Catherine 22
Robert 20
George 15
Louisa 12
Emme 10
Sarah 8
Edwin 5
all children bn St George
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lizdb
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Great minds etc !
Re dtrs p-o-b - on 1851 Emma was Islington (age 2) it was Emily (age 16) who was Lambeth, as was Agnes (age 7)
Agnes still Lambeth, Emma still Islington .. 
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Looks like this was a second marriage for Henry, as you thought
Marriage
Ap/May/Jun 1842
LAmbeth reg district ref 4 268
Agnes Mary Skinner
also on page Henry Hallendal
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Hi Liz - yeah, had already realised about the PoBs ...
wonder if Emily was Agnes daughter ?
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yani
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Thankyou very much. 
I tried lots of spellings but obviously didn't think of that one.
Edwin may well be a brother but I haven't any information at this stage to link them.
That's great to have the marriage.
They didn't make it easy with all the spellings of Hallandal.... 
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I dont think Emily was Agnes daughter after all ..
HO107/1057/4; Civil Parish: St Mary; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 48; Page: 39
Stangate & Amphitheatre
Agnes and sister Elizabeth in the Lambeth area, but are Newsvendors - a couple of other peeps in the household, but no child ....
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lizdb
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p'raps she is Henry's fromprev marriage then - like pres George was.
Marriage cert would show if he was a widower.
Just been looking for her in 1841, thinknig she might be with rellies.
Not got her, bu tsaw this that might fit in somewhere - shame no relationships given in 1841
HO107 1057
Jackson Gardens Lambeth
William Hellendaul 28 musician N
Hannah 22 Y
Esther 60 N
Peter 2 Y
Mary 1 Y
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yani
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So most likely Emily was George's sister..... I haven't been able to find her in 1841 - only George is with Henry.
Oh my goodness - yet another spelling. I do believe I have seen William in other years when I was searching.
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I think you are going to have to be prepared for a lot of spellings!!
There are numerous births on FreeBMD under Hellendaal (incl Emma in 1848) or similar in Lambeth (none under Hallendal)
makes me think that this is the sort of thing that was the original name - though of course as you get further back spelling gets more and more vaired anyway as more people were unable to read or write.
When searching it is best not to put in a surname at all - then go through the results looking for anything similar
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yani
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I have found a George Allendale c 1833 in 1841. His birthplace is not known and he is a long way from Lambeth or Islington. He is a coal miner in Moorsley in Durham.
I guess Allendale is another possible spelling.
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lizdb
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Here is a possible for George in 1851
HO107 1518 278 43
4 Winchester Terrace Clerkenwell
Henry Jones 32 milkman bn Wales
Emma wife 25 bn St Giles
Henry 3
George Hallinggshead 19 visitor Cabinet maker bn Lambeth
writing is poor, Hallinggshead is how it is indexed, I cant do any better from the image - but who knows what it actaully is?
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yani
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I have had a look at the image. I can understand it being transcibed as Hallinggshead.
But he is in the right area and the right age, so I shall save the record.
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does the occupation match what he does in OZ in later years - a cabint maker would have a big investment in time spent in an apprenticeship .....
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