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chris47
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Good morning.
im trying to search for any information on;
charles beech,born,1865,died,1951,married,edith.j.(maiden name unknown)
my mum has possible links with these 2 people.
my mother was born,1936.she can remember visiting them at;
1 council cottage,catts place,paddock wood,kent.
although they fostered many children,they had 2 children of their own,daughter,Edith and Cicely.
mums mother Gertrude,lived with them,but her maiden name was, Brill.
after attending a funeral about 8 years ago,mum is 90% certain Cicely is her mothers mum.nobody wanted to discuss Gertrude(why she had a differant surname)?mum had heard a story,after gertrude was born edith(charles wife)ran from the village hospital with gertrude,back to where they lived.
my mum has always hoped she could find out if the Beech family are/were her grand parents.
we have tried everything we can think of.
i would be grateful if anyone could come up with anything to help.
thank.
chris.
i have just remembered,gertrude had no birth certificate.
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casalguidi
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Hi Chris
Do you have any dates for Gertrude ie. birth/marriage/death?
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Hi Chris
Do you have any dates for Gertrude ie. birth/marriage/death?
Casalguidi
Hi,Casalguidi.
thanks alot for your reply.
Gertrude was born,march 13 1908.
married,Albert Watling,6 august 1934,st andrews church,oxshott,surrey.
It looks bad but,we cannot remember the date,only the year she died,1992,aged 84,in oxshott.
Albert died,september,1985,aged,80.
once again,thankyou,
chris.
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Eyesee
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Rev Beaumaurice Stracey Clarke 1813-1897
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FreeBMD has a birth for a Gertrude BRILL in Mar qtr 1908, but it is in Leeds, 9b 428.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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Barbara F
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Hello Chris
Do you have Gertrude's marriage certificate? If so, who does she name as her father and who were the witnesses?
The name of the father could be fictional but this information could give us some more leads.
Barbara
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Chris
In 1901 I can find a Charles Beach/Beech in Paddock Wood b about 1865 but his wife is Annans! They have 3 young children Charles, Ellen and Alfred.
This looks like their marriage
Dec 1891
Beech Charles Tunbridge 2a 1146
Wells Annans Jane Tunbridge 2a 1146
I cannot see a Charles married to an Edith.
Barbara
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Rev Beaumaurice Stracey Clarke 1813-1897
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There is a Cicely Caroline H BEACH born 1888 in Chelsea who would be old enough to have a child in 1908. Only Cicely BEECH/BEACH I can find.
Can you find her in the census Barbara.
Ian C
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CLAPHAM, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon
FERNANDES, London
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
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chris47
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There is a Cicely Caroline H BEACH born 1888 in Chelsea who would be old enough to have a child in 1908. Only Cicely BEECH/BEACH I can find.
Can you find her in the census Barbara.
Ian C
Hello,Ian,Barbara.
Ican not thankyou enough for all your help.
as i said to Barbara,i was sending you a thankyou when a WARNING came up on my post.
Mum can remember after the funeral,she had a chat with 2 other people about gertrude.although they said they had no knowledge why her surname was differant,mum had a feeling they knew more about gertrude.
Ihave to say im sorry ,but i misunderstood about Cisely.
Mum told me she does not no who Cisely was,she just called her,Aunt Cis.
On my first message i mentioned,edith,charles fostered many children.
Do you think Cisely may have been one of those children?
One other thing i do remember,i was looking at the commonwealth war graves,and a Alfred Horace Beech,died,20 september 1915,aged 18.Grenadier Guards.
His parents names were,Charles,Edith.J,Beech.
Address,1 council Cottage,Catts Place,Paddock Wood,Kent.
Mum has told me that is the place she used to visit as a child with her mum(gertrude)and dad(Albert Watling).
One of the people mum spoke to was alberts and gertrudes bridesmaids,she was 9 years of age in 1934.
im sorry to say,there is no wedding certificate.
chris.
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Hello again Chris
I think your best course of action is to buy Gertrude's marriage certificate.
These are the details you need to order it from the GRO
Sep 1934 Gertrude Brill Tonbridge 2a 3095
On line ordering can be done from this site
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Once you have the certificate please let us know what it says and we will try to help some more.
Barbara
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chris47
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Hello again Chris I think your best course of action is to buy Gertrude's marriage certificate. These are the details you need to order it from the GRO Sep 1934 Gertrude Brill Tonbridge 2a 3095 On line ordering can be done from this site http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Once you have the certificate please let us know what it says and we will try to help some more. Barbara
sorry i did not reply earlier.
thanks for your advice.
you are right in saying about buying a birth certificate.
if you dont mind,can i ask 1/2 more questions?
when nan(gertrude)retired,my uncle had to come home on leave,he was in the RAF,when she retired.
the reason was ,because she had no birth certificate for her pension.
would i get a copy of the original certificate?
the question i keep asking myself(sign of madness).
was there a chance ,gertrude was not registered?
chris.
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