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Topic: Help with lost Frasers, Portmahomack (Read 1686 times)
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Maia261
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I would love some help to try and fill in the missing blanks with this family please, here are the details I have managed to find so far.......
1837 Dec 15th Marriage of Alexander Fraser & Jessie Campbell Tarbat by Fearn, Ross & Cromarty From OPR
1841 Census - Portmahomack
Alexander age 24, Fisherman, born Ross & Cromarty
Janet age 22, born Ross & Cromarty
Bell age 12 born Ross & Cromarty could be Alexanders sister?
Mary age 2, born Ross & Cromarty Found birth on IGI (1839)
James age 3months, born Ross & Cromarty Found birth on IGI (1841)
1851 Census Unable to find any trace
1861 Census George Street, Portmahomack, Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Alexander age 44, Head, Fisherman, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Janet age 42, Wife, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Isabella age 16, Dau, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire Cannot find a birth anywhere
Jessie age 14, Dau, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire Cannot find a birth anywhere
Alexander 12, Son, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire Cannot find a birth anywhere
David age 8, Son, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire Cannot find a birth anywhere
Hugh age 6, Son, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire Birth on IGI (1856)
Ann age 3, Dau, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire Birth on IGI (1858)
1871 Census Police Street, Portmahomack, Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Alexander age 45, Head, Fisherman, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Janet age 49, Wife, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Alexander age 16, Son, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Hugh age 12, Son, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Ann age 11, Dau, born Tarbat, Ross-Shire
Janet McKay age 40, Lodger, Unmarried, Servant, Domestic
*There seems to be huge discrepancies between the ages on the 1861 census and the 1871 census
1873 Dec 2nd Marriage of Jessie Fraser age 23 & William Mackay age 21 at 14 Abbotsford Place, Glasgow Jessies parents showing as Alexander Fraser, Fisherman and Janet Fraser, M.S. Campbell, neither of them are shown as deceased
1914 Sep 1st Death of Jessie Mackay at 9 Castle Wynd, Inverness aged 64 years, married to William Morrison Mackay. Parents showing as Alexander Fraser, Fisherman (deceased) and Jessie Fraser M.S. Campbell (deceased)
The family seems to disappear between 1843 and 1856 during which time Isabella is born c.1845, Jessie is born, could be anywhere between 1847 and 1850ish, Alexander is born c.1849 and David is born c.1853. I have tried everything to find these births but have got nowhere, can anyone else manage it?
Lynn
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Mackay Inverness, Ross and Cromarty & Sutherland
Watson Inverness-Shire & Ross and Cromarty
Douglas Inverness-Shire & Moray
Sutherland Caithness
Kilroe Inverness & Ireland
Paterson - Banff
Clark Glasgow & Ireland
Thomson Caithness
Montgomery Ross and Cromarty
Allanach Moray & Glenbucket, Aberdeen
Smith Banff
McLellan - Glenmoriston & Islay
Harvey Glasgow & Ireland
Miller Edinburgh & Caithness
Shearer - Caithness
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Lynn
This looks like the family's 1851 entry. Everyone showing as born in Tarbat:
Alexr Fraser 32, fisherman
Janet Fraser 30
Mary Fraser 11
James Fraser 9
Bell Fraser 7
Jess Fraser 4
Duglina (female) Fraser 2
Address: Portmahomack, Tarbat
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Lynn
The one thing I noticed from that 1851 entry is that there was no mention of Alexander that you have as son age 12 in 1861. Can't easily see him elsewhere. Also, his age matches that of Duglina (age 2 in 1851) who then doesn't show in 1861.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Maia261
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Monica,
I know, I saw that too and it's been puzzling me. I wonder if a sort of half plausible theory could be that they were maybe twins and maybe staying somewhere else on the night of the censuses. When I put that down in black and white it does seem a bit too far-fetched. 
Did they have sex changes back in the 1850's as this does seem more plausible?  Sorry I couldn't resist that one, plus he would surely have been called Douglas as opposed to Alexander. 
I was over at Portmahomack today trying to find some answers but am still no further forward. What I did find out was that the old church in Portmahomack, which is now the Tarbat Discovery Centre, was abandoned in 1846, the Free Church seemed to come into being about 1844, maybe this is why there are gaps in some of the Fraser records from this date until registration started.
There doesn't seem to be any gaps in general records going by the IGI Batch Numbers though.
One theory I thought might be plausible was that the family moved to a different area for a time but later census records show that all the children were born in the parish.
Lynn
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Mackay Inverness, Ross and Cromarty & Sutherland
Watson Inverness-Shire & Ross and Cromarty
Douglas Inverness-Shire & Moray
Sutherland Caithness
Kilroe Inverness & Ireland
Paterson - Banff
Clark Glasgow & Ireland
Thomson Caithness
Montgomery Ross and Cromarty
Allanach Moray & Glenbucket, Aberdeen
Smith Banff
McLellan - Glenmoriston & Islay
Harvey Glasgow & Ireland
Miller Edinburgh & Caithness
Shearer - Caithness
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maclennan25
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ancestors always seem to be just out of reach.....
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sex change? - how about this from igi?? lol
ALEXINA. FRASER, Female, B:10 JUN 1843, Tarbat By Fearn, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Father: ALEXR. FRASER, Mother: JANET CAMPBELL
could this really be your Alexander?
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Fletcher, Maclennan, Paterson, Christie, Macdonald,
Gibson, Grant, Macleod, Mackay, Wood, Beaton
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JEANETTA
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Hi: my grandmother's grandparents were janet campbell and alexander fraser married Dec. 15, 1837. their children were mary, james, alexina, bell, jess, and duglina. James was my direct ancestor - his daughter Jamesina (Jamima) was my grandmother. I'm very new to this genealogy, but is any of this helpful? jeanetta
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JEANETTA
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Hi: my grandmother's grandparents were janet campbell and alexander fraser married Dec. 15, 1837. their children were mary, james, alexina, bell, jess, and duglina. James was my direct ancestor - his daughter Jamesina (Jamima) was my grandmother. I'm very new to this genealogy, but is any of this helpful? jeanetta ps they were of course married in Tarbat, ross-shire and janet campbell died january 21, 1879 in portmahomack. (Duglina was born about 1849). j
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JEANETTA
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They were Gaelic speakers of course so "Dugina" must sound very different than in harsh anglo-saxon. another sideline - the Clearances had happened/were happening in Ross-shire around the 1830s 1840s - I wonder how that affected Portmahomack. any ideas? j
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sheena58
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Hi,
I think your Alexander Fraser was brother to my great, great grandmother who's many variations of her name included Elsie and Euphemia but she was actually baptised Eppy. Alexander b1815, married Janet/Jessie Campbell 1837? Eppy married William MacKay. As you probably know there were not many surnames in the Port at that time! There seem to be huge variations in names and ages but we have to remember that the records are largely based on self reporting. I know that My great grandfather, Eppy's son spoke both Gaelic and English but couldn't sign his name. As the census was recorded in English I'd guess there could have been quite a few issues with translation. Also, I suspect that there may have been an element of defiance in some cases! I have various instances of aparent sex change/dissapearing/appearing children in census returns.
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MacKay/McKay: Glasgow, Inverness,Tarbat & RedCastle Scotland. Toronto, Canada.
McAulay/MacAulay: Caithness, Sutherland,Glasgow.
Dallas: Inverness.
Fraser: Tarbat.
Whyte: Avoch, Knockbain.
Mynard/Cannom/Harridance: any
Barrenger/Stapleton: Kent
Hoare: Hoo/Maidstone
Baker/Wood: Boughton Malherbe
Saltmarsh: Maldon district.
Smith: Dunmow/Stow Maries.
Anderson/Rash: Cambs
Pegg/Garner:Norfolk/Cambs
Bruce:Caithness
Larance/Comer: Norfolk
Kimmence: Suffolk
Bruster/Coote: Essex
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JEANETTA
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Hi Sheena: Wow wouldn't that be wonderful if your Eppy and my Alex were related. I've got Alex born about 1818, married Dec. 15, 1837 and died Sept. 28, 1885. No info on his parents, siblings or place of birth. Did your data come from the census records? I've got him married to Janet Campbell -and her mother was Isabella McKay [no dates] - (the fisherfolk definitely seemed to intermarry. I wonder if your William MacKay and my Isabella were related). Anyway thank you for this information. Will keep digging. j
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IanDFraser
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Hi
I don't know if my family has any relation to your family as I know that the name Fraser is a fairly common name in Scotland. However, there are some similarities which have caused me to enquire. Firstly, my family name is Fraser and my ancestors originated from Portmahomack. Additionally, one of my great grandfathers is listed as a manager in a fishery (my interpretation from the census) (Ref: 1861 census described as "Manager Fishey Statir"). The family's address was supplied as 3 Grant Street.
Alexander had a son who is recorded as "John aged 10 years). His full name was John McGregor Fraser and he left Scotland and travelled to Australia. He eventually settled in Strahan Tasmania and he made a living as a shipwright. I have no confirmation of this but I believe his brothers may have travelled to Canada or the USA but I have no evidence of this yet.
I know Portmahomack is a coastal town and fishing would have been a significant occupation but you never know, there may be some connection. If there, I would be very interested in sharing information. Regards Ian Fraser.
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