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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent, please.
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 06 July 08 20:44 BST (UK) »

William WILLER is transcribed as WILLEN on the sugar baker's database

http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarwwhy.html
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent, please.
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 06 July 08 20:52 BST (UK) »

thanks Bearkat
he is also down as Wilhelm Willer just a few lines further down.
I was hoping that he may have arrived with brothers or something which might help- but it does look as though he is German origins.
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent, please.
« Reply #17 on: Monday 07 July 08 07:33 BST (UK) »

I'll move this post over to London as it refers to Bromley in East London rather than the Bromley in Kent Wink

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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent, please.
« Reply #18 on: Monday 07 July 08 11:33 BST (UK) »

Hi Kath
yes the party went well, lots of screaming kids, pressies and food everywhere, ended up exhausted and then had a vodka and tonic too many  Tongue So with muzzy head I've been trying to get a grip on all you have found out, quite a lot I must say and absolutely fascinating ! This is how I understand it so far ;
1851, Mary Ann Whitnell/Whitebelt ?  St G in the E, hubby at sea, kids ; (our) Mary A,Joseph and James. 1860 Mary A marries German William Willer, 1861 they are with Mary A's ma (pa still at sea ?)and her 2 brothers Thos and John and have 3 month old William jnr. 1871 William jnr now 10 and has little sister Mary J.
Still can find nothing on the 1881 census ! curious,,, but in 1881 William jnr marries Rosina and in 1891 kids ; William,Frederick,Florance, 1901 more kids ; Ernest, Elizabeth,John ( the John who marries Mary Anne Rogers, from the original info I received,,, OK, , just needed to type it out to get it firmly in my head.

Am I correct in thinking that the Whitebelt/Whitnell name is one and the same and one is a mistake when by the numerator ?
yes the Bromley Kent thing is my fault, sorry about that.

Well I'm going to study all about the German Sugar Bakers invading England now, thanks again.
all the best
Pete
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #19 on: Monday 07 July 08 13:33 BST (UK) »

more or less right - yes!
1861 the family are transcribed as Mary A Whitebell and the children are Whitewell. (I think I read it as belt  Embarrassed) and Mary A snr is a widow.

1851 and marriage- Whitnell

1841 HO107; Piece 696; Book: 7; Folio: 22; Page: 2

Mary Whitnall 25 yrs
Mary Whitnall 22 yrs
are with a Meluish family (writing leaves a lot to be desired) at ?? Court which could be off Ratcliffe Highway St G in E  - no relationships given but all born in county.
I wonder if Mary Ann jnr could be 22 months old perhaps?

Family Search has an extracted record for Mary Ann Whitnell  birth Dece 1838 St G in the E - parents Joseph and Mary Ann and a marriage for a Joseph to Mary Ann Evans Feb 1838- sounds good.
This is confirmed on Free BMD where there is a choice of Mary Ann's but Family Search has the details as Evans- and they are extracted so true, I am led to believe.
Still no sign in 1881.

There are some marriages  already given which might help to prove this info and may give clues with witnesses etc.
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 08 July 08 19:50 BST (UK) »

Hi Kath
yes, thanks for all the Free BMD ref's, Cheesy sorry, I tend to take a while to study the census details and write out the tree as presented by the census, the old-fashioned way I guess  Undecided? adding approx year of birth, location etc and then get down to the nitty-gritty of Free BMD and certificates,,,,, but you found all the important ones,, so thanks again, I'll be ordering them asap and will let you know the results. I'll get onto free BMD and see how many births I can find of the other siblings.
all the best
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #21 on: Monday 04 August 08 20:55 BST (UK) »


There is no marriage on Free BMD - marriages mustn't have been transcribed yet.
SO I have looked at the complete records- this is amusing! I brought up the 1923 +/- 1 year and looked at all quarters 1922-1924 except the 4th quarter 1924- thinking that this was the quarter prior to the birth of young John T. You've guessed it- that's when they married!
1924 4th quarter
John Willer - bride Rogers Whitechapel vol 1c pg 378.
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hi Kath, well, I've been busy tracing other lines when I thought, I'm sure I'm waiting for a certificate,,,, real easy to get carried away and distracted with a new line  Roll Eyes  and then remembered it was the Willer/Rogers marriage certificate, well nothing had arrived when I spotted in my mail box a refund from World pay ( 3 pounds and not 7 !!! ) I guess something went wrong, all a bit frustrating, I really wanted to get going on the Rogers side of things.
I was hoping to be able to update you on any progress but helas ! I'll See if I can phone and get some kind of explanation as to what the problem was.
all the best
Pete
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #22 on: Monday 04 August 08 23:01 BST (UK) »

Hi Pete,

what a shame! I have checked and it is what I wrote- so don't know what to do. Sad
Mind you I wrote off a few weeks ago- same thing happened to me. I wrote back and queried- no reply.

good luck and keep me informed

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Alexander, Suffolk and Lancashire; Ashworth,Whitworth, Grindrod Lancashire; Golden, Duffy County Mayo.
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 03 September 08 07:52 BST (UK) »

Hello - I randomly came across this posting doing a Google search.   My husband is a descendant of Mary Jane Willer, I believe the same Mary J. Willer who was 3 years old in the 1871 census shown in these postings.

All the information matches up.  We know that Mary Jane's father's name was William and that she was born in 1867 or 1868.  Also, when she was married in 1888 the location was St. Peters London Docks, St. George in the East.

There is one piece that doesn't quite fit.  We were always told that Mary Jane's mother's maiden name was Gunn, not Whitebell/Whitenell/Whitewell.  However, Mary Jane died young so it's very possible that her daughter did not know or remember the correct information.

FYI - for those descendants of Mary Jane's bother William - her daughter and son went to Canada (her daughter as a Home Child) and then to the US.  Her son died young but her daughter has many descendants living in the US.
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 03 September 08 16:54 BST (UK) »

Hello hunting and welcome to Rootschat.

It's always great when people can link up their families. Cheesy
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 03 September 08 18:47 BST (UK) »

Hello hunting and welcome to Rootschat.

It's always great when people can link up their families. Cheesy

Hear! hear! what good news !
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Re: Census look up, Bromley Kent (London,,oops, sorry), please.
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 21 September 08 13:49 BST (UK) »

Hi People, Petey was doing the research for me. Thanks to everyone, what I would like to ask is whether Wilhelm's parents could be found from the 1861 census...R99/277-140? regards                          Lesley
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