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HOWE 1841/1851
« on: Saturday 05 July 08 19:42 BST (UK) »

Hello

Could someone please help with William Howe, born c1780 Balderton in the 1841 & 1851 census probably Southwell.
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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 July 08 19:51 BST (UK) »

Hello Sundowner,

Welcome to Rootschat  Cheesy

could this be the family?

1851 census HO107/ 2134 Folio 423 Page 23
Upton, Southwell, Nottinghamshire

William Howe     head m 62  Ag. Lab  Balderton
Elizabeth Howe  wife  m 62   Wife      Lowdham
Robert Howe       son  s  29  Ag. Lab  Upton
Henry Howe           "   s  24        "          "
Elizabeth Howe   dau  s 22  At home     "


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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 05 July 08 19:55 BST (UK) »

1841 census HO107/867/16 Folio 10 Page 12
Upton, Notts

William Howe      61  Ag. Lab
Elizabeth Howe    53
Robert Howe     20
Henry Howe     14
Elizabeth Howe    12
Samuel Howe    11
Edward Howe     8
Joseph Howe     4

all born in Nottinghamshire


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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 05 July 08 20:37 BST (UK) »

Hello Barbara

Thank you - what a great site!

You have found them for me. Surprised to see the older children still at home. Is there a specific address?

Graham
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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 05 July 08 20:53 BST (UK) »

Hi Graham,

Yes we all think it's a great site, everyone is so helpful and kind here. 

The address is just Upton, small village I think in the Southwell district - details in this other good site if you don't know it, genuki  Smiley http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/Upton/index.html


Best Wishes
Barbara  Smiley
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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 July 08 21:37 BST (UK) »

Hi Barbara
Thank you once more. I see William didn't age much between 1841 and 51!! I thought it was ladies who were economical with the truth over ages!! I'm assuming he was 51 in 1841 or thereabouts.
I'm still fairly new to this and, whilst I'm familiar with what can be done on line with census and post 1837 BMD's etc, I think I'm getting to the end of my "armchair" research.
Taking the help you have given as an example, how would I now proceed with finding William and Elizabeth's parents?
kind regards
Graham
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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 July 08 23:25 BST (UK) »

Hi Graham, just give me a minute to re-check William's age....

not sure if you know that in 1841 census adult ages were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years, but these seem quite the other way round!

Back in a minute
Barbara
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999


Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 July 08 23:57 BST (UK) »

Hi Graham,

No, I didn't read them wrongly, they're quite clear, William has taken 11 years off his age for the 1851 census unless they got it wrong in 1841 - he's maybe 51 then really.

It would be interesting to see what his age was on his death cert:

possible death registration Dec Quarter 1859 Southwell    7b 192
Howe    William   

To go further back, you need to find William's marriage in parish registers although that may not tell you much more as parents weren't often given, roughly 1820 unless there were children born earlier than Robert - so baptism records come next, if you can figure out what his actual year of birth was!    The children's baptisms would hopefully give you Elizabeth's maiden name.

There's a marriage on the IGI familysearch website:  William Howe to Elizabeth Glen  26 Nov 1810 Lowdham, Nottingham but not sure if it's the right one - and children's baptisms are there with parents Wm & Eliz Howe.  Try this page of the site http://www.rootschat.com/links/03au/  - click on Nottingham, then scroll down to Upton by Southwell, click on the batch number for baptisms and on the page that comes up enter Howe.  All children surnamed Howe will appear, magic. Click on each name for full details, sadly all just have parents named William Howe & Elizabeth, no maiden name, so you need the full parish register entry which may give that, but at least you'll have the baptism dates.
Joseph's birth just misses the 1837 date for civil registration unfortunately.

So hopefully someone with access to parish registers for Upton will come to your aid, or you could contact Nottingham records office.
A new post on this board asking for parish lookups would be the best thing once you've got all the details from the IGI

Hope this helps,
Barbara
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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 July 08 01:28 BST (UK) »

Hi Barbara
I think William must have been 51 (ish); easy to confuse a 5 with a 6 having seen some of the handwriting on these documents!
Following your suggested link (really is magic!) it seems their eldest child was William born 1813 which makes the marriage you found in 1810 at Lowdham (Elizabeth's birthplace) look fairly positive.
I'll try asking for a Parish look up as you suggest tomorrow.
You have been most helpful and I really appreciate it.
Kind regards
Graham
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Re: HOWE 1841/1851
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 06 July 08 01:40 BST (UK) »

No, as I said, the writing is clear.  Here's 1841 showing the 5s and 6s  Smiley
definite lines at top of 5s



and 1851 showing both thier ages:




Good luck with your parish look-ups,

Barbara  Smiley
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