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Topic: 1901 - John Aubrey C Howarth - Please (Read 314 times)
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Mum44
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Jonathan - hi
Here's the 1901 :
RG13. P. 3836 Fol. 65 Pg. 32
24 Clement Royal St., Rochdale
Mary J Townsend Head Wid 50 Boarding house keeper B. London
Minnie Townsend Dau Un 30 B. Leeds, Yorks
John A C Hawarth Grand son 5 B. Rochdale, Lancs
Hope this helps.
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush. Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham. Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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BarbaraH
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Mary and Minnie Townsend are still in Rochdale in 1891. On ancestry site (hope I am allowed to say this) someone has suggested the alternative surname of Sedgwick for Minnie. No Howarths here at this time
RG12; Piece: 3333; Folio 101; Page 29
9 Beswicke st, Spotland
James Townsend 37 Accountant born Yorkshire (Headingley? not sure)
Mary Jane, 40 wife born Kent (Desford?)
Minnie, dau, 20, born Leeds
Amelia, dau, 17, born Manchester
Willie C Conway, nephew, 5, born Leeds
Alfred Graham, boarder, 32, Theatrical Manager, born Middlesex
_____ ditto, boarder,, 21, actress , born Monmouth
Sorry the last two should be 'married' - I inadvertently changed the actress' sex before and made her male - sorry madam
I think Minnie is short for Ermintrude? But I suspect that sometimes it was Minnie from the start.
 Barbara
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LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, McGibbon,Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry DERBYS: Goodwin, Grant LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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On free BMD there is a marriage JAS !894 Rochdale Vol 8c Page 47 with Richard Howarth and Amelia Townsend as two of the four names on the page.
You probably have the family in 1881 but if not:
Living at 1 St. Stephens Place, Kingston-upon-Hull, York
James E. Townsend Head M Male 30 Knottingly, York Cattle Spice Manfr (Oil)
Mary J. Townsend Wife M Female 30 Deptford, Kent
Minnie Townsend Daughter U Female 10 Leeds, York Scholar
Amelia Townsend Daughter U Female 7 Manchester, Lancashire
Family History Library Film 1342152
RG 11 4769/139
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Lancashire and Cheshire: Harding, Turner, Gandy, Rigby, Bancroft, Moorcroft, Wright Wiltshire: Webb, Hayter, Mussell, Curtice, Sheppard Hampshire: Harper, Rawlings Ireland: Revels, Qua, Alexander, Clegg Bucks, Northants, Derby, Leicester and Cheshire: Spokes, Glover, Sturgess, Attewell, Whiting, Lester, Hall |
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None of my business, but is this the same Jack Howarth that played Albert Tatlock in Coronation St? 
Barbara
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LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, McGibbon,Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry DERBYS: Goodwin, Grant LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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It is indeed Albert Tatlock himself! - Well at least thats who we're talking about.
Is this John Aubrey Howarth our Jack?
See now this all started sometime ago, when me and my sister were first starting out on tracing our family history. Our Grandfather also a Howarth, said that Jack Howarth who played Albert Tatlock in Corrie was a relative.
The only thing other then that was that he may be a cousin. A cousin of whom i do not know, if a cousin at all.
So I set about getting him on my tree. Common sense would seem to suggest that Jack was a cousin of my Grandad's father - Fred Howarth born 1891 in Rochdale.
What with there only being 5 years between them and nearly 40 between Jack and my Grandad.
Online Bio's of Jack say he was born on 19th Feb 1896 in Rochdale and that his father was the Comiedien Bert Howarth.
My poor seaching has found nothing to link these two sides.
For a start Jack proved hard to find and this is were John Aubrey came in, he was the only Howarth who matched for the time in question Mar Quarter of 1896.
Plus the theatrial links with the Grahams is also a good sign, seen as the bio says Jack was involved in the theatre in 1908 aged 12.
Bert is tricky as well because it could be short of many different names and no matter which one it is going to be common with only a name to go on.
And the final sticking point is that Fred's father John has no family as yet because he lists his father as deceased on his 1889 marriage and there are many John Howarth's in Rochdale on the 1881 census to narrow it down.
So it seems i can't go up or down on either line to find a link.
Anyone with any ideas, i would welcome them
Thanks for all the info so far on John Aubrey the others in the household.
Jonathan
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LOUGHLIN - Galway, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
HOWARTH - Rochdale
IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
MAHER - London
BRIGGS - Doncaster
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BarbaraH
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Looks like John Aubrey Howarth is Jack Howarth of Corrie fame - I just found a one-line entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101071099/
" Howarth, John Aubrey Conway [Jack] (1896–1984), actor"
This is a subscription site, but it says you can access it through your local library.
I have a few Howarths in my tree also, which is a tiny excuse for my nosiness here. And a fairly convoluted family link to another former Corrie star (famous for earrings - so not Albert Tatlock  )
Perhaps Rochdale Library could help with some info on Bert Howarth? Might throw up a few more names for you to connect with (or not).
Barbara
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BarbaraH
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so presumably this means that Richard the cotton operative moonlighted as Bert the comedian!
Bert is not the most obvious stage name to choose is it? Maybe it was one of those strange family things where you get called a completely different name to your 'real' one.
Does Richard fit with your grandfathers family?
Barbara
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Richard Howarth that ain't no Bert!
Still can't make the connection. My grandfather said over the weekend that Jack Howarth was as far as he was aware his fathers cousin, which is what i have been assuming all along. Just can't make the link between John Howarth and Richard Howarth because surely they would have to be brothers for my grandfathers dad Fred to have been cousins with Jack.
Or is there a less likely but still possible more obscure link that could make them cousins?
1881 has no John Howarth's living with a Richard as a sibling. Richard of course could be older and already have left home by 1881.
Can anyone find any John and Richard Howarth brothers on the 1871 census?
Plus i really need to order that marriage certifcate for Richard and Amelia to see what that can throw up, not least Richard's age.
Sorry i took so long to repley, have been going mad not been able to get on internet.
Thanks
Jonathan
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LOUGHLIN - Galway, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
HOWARTH - Rochdale
IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
MAHER - London
BRIGGS - Doncaster
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Found this family living at 'Flash' (three households) in the village of Healy, Spotland:
James Howarth, 47, carter
Betty Howarth, 38
JOHN, son age 19, coal miner
Alice, dau, 17, woollen weaver
Moses, son, 13, coal miner 
RICHARD, son, 8
James, son, 4
Mary Jane, dau, 1
But you do need the marriage cert really to eliminate some of the guess work. Next census page page after this one, there are more Howarths, also coal miners; with more Richards and more Johns!
Barbara
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