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JustinL
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Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« on: Wednesday 02 July 08 08:23 BST (UK) »

I recently received an interesting document from a German archive.

In December 1819, an ancestor of mine (from East London) had sought and obtained formal certification of the authenticity of a number of extracts from the parish records of the town of Immenhausen (in northern Hessen).

This ancestor needed the information to prove his ancestry (in an English court) in support of his claim to a significant inheritance. In his request he states that his great-grandfather, who was born in 1724 in Immenhausen, had come to London in about 1750, but was himself the great-grandson of an Englishman who had emigrated to Germany. That emigrant would have left England in the mid-seventeenth century!

I have good reasons for speculating that the inheritance was in some way connected with the HARDRES family of Hardres Hall in Kent.

Any ideas?

Justin


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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 08:50 BST (UK) »

Hi Justin

It sounds as though there is a good chance this case would have been reported in the papers - there's a free trial to Gale newspapers operating at the moment, so you might be lucky!

http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/index.html?err=2

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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 08:51 BST (UK) »

Hi Justin!  Smiley

It may just possibly have become a Chancery case - in which case, the papers will be at the National Archives.  I had one with a disputed will that was there, but this involved creditors with unpaid debts - a little different, I know!

There may just have been a public notice in the London Gazette - there is a website gazettes-online, don't have the precise address at present - Google and you will find it, and you can search by any surname which may be relevant!

Sounds complex and interesting - good luck!

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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 09:30 BST (UK) »

Thanks for the advice.

I was just about to go check Gale, London Gazette and TNA, but thought I would have a quick look for any responses here first.

I'll keep you posted.

Justin

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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 July 08 10:08 BST (UK) »

You can sometimes use Google books to find law case reports.
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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 July 08 03:03 BST (UK) »

I keep forgetting about Google books!  Thanks for the reminder, Galium.   Smiley

Look forward to seeing what you are able to find, Justin!

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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 July 08 08:31 BST (UK) »

Well, I've had a good trawl through all the usual websites and NOT found anything.

Hardres Court and estate (near Canterbury) were eventually split between the sisters and nephews of the childless widow of the last Baronet, Sir William Hardres, when she died in 1783. There arte numerous earlier wills on the NA site.

My ancestor was Charles James Courtney Hardess. The image below was written by his cousin in 1837.

CJCH's uncle noted that the former 'went on a journey to the continent [Aug 21, 1819], returned about February 1820, but did no good'.

This will be a fascinating mystery to solve...

Justin







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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 July 08 11:37 BST (UK) »

Bad luck, Justin!  I guess your trawl has included the a2a site.  They are determined to be elusive - just a case of persevering, I suppose!

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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 July 08 14:47 BST (UK) »

I'm curious about the being descended from the Dukes of Kent bit - It's a title that has been handed out to odd people, usually minor branches of the Royalty over the years and sort of keeps being recycled - it's not one with any long line of descent or any attached lands.

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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 03 July 08 15:38 BST (UK) »

There's a bit in The Gentleman's Magazine about the last baronet wandering his estate desperate to think of an heir http://www.google.co.uk/books?id=ctURAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA683&dq=%22william+hardres%22&lr=#PPA683,M1

I assume your ancestors were hoping to prove a link with previous generations to make a claim on the estate. If you've access to the Gale site the Eighteenth Century Collections Online section has a bit on the family in Edward Hasted's History of Kent and Thomas Wooton's Baronetages but most of the genealogical info is in Burke's (on Google Books).

Carole

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CHILD Glos/London, BONUS London, DIMSDALE London, HODD and TUTT Sussex,  BONNER and PATTEN Essex, BOWLER and HOLLIER Oxfordshire, HUGH Lincolnshire, LEEDOM all.
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Re: Can I research an inheritance dispute?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 10:57 BST (UK) »

Hello Carole,

Sorry that I didn't reply sooner.

From google.books and the Gale site, I have a fairly clear picture of the Hardres ancestry, and what happened to the estate after Sir William's death in 1764. There's nothing that points to any subsequent probate disputes.

The claim about the Dukes of Kent must surely have been wishful thinking. Like you, I could not establish a specific lineage.

However, the Earls of Thanet were of a single family. Tantalisingly, the NA has a file from the early 18th century entitles 'Earl Thanet v. Hardess'. I should probably dig into pocket and investigate.

Justin
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