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bellbird
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Thanks for the idea to look up opcdorset. Have a field day going through what was there but didn't notice John Powell T /G Webb and Jane Jolliffee Ackerman's
marriage there. Saw a large number of Ackermans and a few other Webbs with an Ackerman marriage in 1655 and others continuing on through the years. I'll try and get the Marriage Certificate for John and Jane. Still have had no luck with finding their arrival in NZ or Jane's death. Unfortunately being the last of the line of my generation, all those ahead have already died. Mum was the same with all her brother and sisters married by the time she was 11 which has added to my problem with her having me later in life. Have advertised in magazines for folk named or related Samuel Cranch and his wife Elizabeth Webb but have heard nothing to date. so haven't got any further ideas as to her parents arrival and the death of Jane. I don't seem to have any photos of her but have two of Harry Ackerman no doubt Henry we've all seen records of. Thanks Belllbird
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trish251
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The opc sites are very good, but they are mainly for pre civil registration records (before 1837) so anything past that date is a super bonus. if you can find the name of John's father (and Jane's) you may find their baptisms as they are probably before 1837.
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bellbird
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Hi Carol Been going back over the responses to the above. Still haven't found them here apart from Electoral Rolls. Back to your 9/7/08 response. Yes this could be the right Ackerman as my info has her marrying above in 1855 abd she'd be 21 then. She is my great grandmother and this lady in NZ had a brother Harry (my mother's writing on back of photos) Harry often used for Henry here. 1 Portrait of Harry white haired and group photo with family couples mainly and a big fancy cake in foreground. No I haven't seen the Marriage certificate or have access to Censuses unfortunately. You said Henry was in Bridport still in 1861 does he disappear later like next census? Have found a lady in Carterton who seems to be the local historian who knows of Ackermans living there and is going to check about Henry. Appears he had 6 children going by the photograph. Thanks for your help Bellbird
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carol8353
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Hi Bellbird, THis is the marriage... Marriages Jun 1855 ACKERMAN Jane Joliffe and WEBB John Powell Grant in Bridport ref 5a 707 Order the cert from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ at a cost of just £7 (don't know what that is NZ $) they post abroad for that price too  Good luck Carol
The only way to be sure that you're following the right family is to purchase that marriage certificate. It will give you all sorts of info to confirm that the family we've found is correct. Otherwise we could all be looking for the wrong ones.
Henry Joliffe Ackerman is married to Susan by 1871 and living in Crewkerne Somerset.
RG10/ 2407 Folio 6 Page 3
Henry Joliffe Ackerman head 32 Flag (something?) dresser b Burton Bradstock Dorset
Susan Joliffe Ackerman wife 29 b Bridport Dorset
William " " son 4 scholar b Bristol Gloucester
Susan " " dau 2 b Bristol
Mary Jane " " dau 8 months b Crewkerne Somerset
Looks like Henry Joliffe Ackerman married Susan Taylor in Bridport in Jun 1861 ref 5a page 768.
They are on the same page and she is the only Susan there.
Henry and Harry are interchangeable here too- my own grandad was always known as Harry-although officially christened Henry. Same as Prince Harry 
Carol
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carol8353
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Did Henry(Harry) and Susan emigrate to NZ as well?
Can't see them in 1881- can anyone else?
Parents William and Elizabeth still in Bridport in 1871 he's 74 and still a flax dresser ,she's 65. But they too are gone by 1881.
Carol
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bellbird
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Thanks all you helpful folk there in Dorset. It's snowing here for second time this winter we've got 4-6 inches of snow and we're only 23 metres above sealevel. Most unusal. Got a Wedding this afto too Anyway to my request
Looking through Parish Records for Allington/Bridport I xame across a baptism record for John Thomas Powell son of Robert and Elizabeth Webb date 28/2/1834. Wonder if in fact he is the John Powell Thomas Grant Webb I'm looking for. Other information I have is a marriage to Jane Joliffe Ackerman 21/4/1855 at Bridport Ref 5a/707. He died at Upper Hutt NZ pm 2/1/1894. He and his wife had at lelast two children Mary and Elizabeth. Elizabeth born Bridport 15/11/1862. They arrived in NZ 1874 on a ship named Soukar.
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I have been trying to track down Jane Joliffe Ackerman through her brother Henry Joliffe as I still can't find her apart from one Electoral Roll entry here in 1893. Henry and his wife Susan came out here after Jane told him all was good. Apparently he didn't think so, I'll include an excerpt from a paper at the end. Henry's gravestone at Clareville Cemetery Carterton says he was born in Burton Bradstock Dorset. He died 1918. Looking on IGI he was christened about 9/12/1838, parents shown as William Joliffe Ackerman and Elizabeth March (single name?) I haven't tracked down his marriage but Susan's gravestone says mother, dates mean she'd be 4 years his junior. Could someone please help me with Henry's birth date and marriage and maybe the last time he appeared on a census and children. Also perhaps another look for Jane, she's 5-6 years older than Henry. To the newspaper story.
Apparently he was a fiesty gentleman from the newspaper report I was sent. He came down from Parkville (outside Carterton) and faced off with Jane while her husband John PTG Webb was crossing the Hutt River inn a boat. Threatened to do her in, claimed they inveigled him into coming out to NZ false claims made and demanded money he said they owed him. In addition to John PTG in his boat seeing and hearing the fight, others did and came to Jane's rescue before she was badly injured. He was fined in court and bound over the keep the peace for 3 months.
There's also a story about his wife's death in a Hotel fire but it doesn't feel right so want to check it out further.
Hope the weather's good in your spot in the world. Had snow down around the house for the 2nd time this winter usually once in 5 - 7 years. Had a wedding to go to too. Was it freezing - too right. Bellbird.
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Further to my last message, have checked out the newspaper report on the death of Susan in a hotel fire. Definitely not Henry's wife Susan as the lady in the Coroners Report in the newspaper was Susannah and only aged 56 far too young. My gut feeling didn't lead me astray. BEllbird.
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bellbird
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Help me please you knid and helpful people in Dorset. The cousin I discovered who like me was looking for her great grandmother Jane Jolliffe Ackerman/Webb has really thrown me into confusion. We've only talked about two children Mary and Elizabeth she's come up with alot more as follows:
Jane Webb b June 1858 Dorset d 12/10/1938 NZ
Elizabeth Webb my grandmother b Dec 1862 d 1940 NZ
Mary Webb b 3/2/1865 Bridport Dorset d 7/2/1947 Palmerston North NZ
Florence Webb b March 1868 Bridport d Abt 1936 Auckland NZ
Lilian Webb b 1870 Bridport Dorset d 14/7/1944 Palmerston North NZ
Ernest Webb b 1875 d abt 1881 scarlet fever England
William Webb b abt 1875 d abt 1875 England fell off stool died of head injury.
I don't know where she got this from.
If they came out to NZ on the Soukar in 1874 the last two don't seem to tie up. Thannks in anticipation Bellbird
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carol8353
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The 1871 census of South Street Bridport Dorset has the folllowing family.
Thomas Webb head 37 Carrier b Allington Dorset
Jane Webb wife 37 b Burton Dorset
Jane dau 12 all kids b Bridport
ELizabeth dau 8
Mary dau 6
Florence dau 3
Lily dau 1
Hope that helps
Carol
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There are no births or deaths for an Ernest Webb in the timeframe that you give.
Check for yourself on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Regards
Carol
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