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GRO is confusing me...
« on: Wednesday 09 July 08 14:15 BST (UK) »

I'm ordering some family certificates (at last!) and the GRO have sent me some forms to fill in. The thing is, to get reduced fee, I have to fill in the GRO refence section (to help them find it quicker). Some of the info I know, some of it confuses me as to what they want...

The section is:

Year, Quarter, District name/number, Volume, Page, Registration/Reg No, Entry Number, Date of Registration.

So, using Eliz/Theo's marriage, I would get:

Year: 1887
Quarter: 4
District name/no: Plympton St Mary, Plymouth, Devon, UK
Volume: 05 B
Page: 417
Registration/Reg no: ??
Entry number: How do I find that?
Date of registration: How does that differ from what they first asked?

And have I got it right so far?  Undecided
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Re: GRO is confusing me...
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 14:19 BST (UK) »

I'm ordering some family certificates (at last!) and the GRO have sent me some forms to fill in. The thing is, to get reduced fee, I have to fill in the GRO refence section (to help them find it quicker). Some of the info I know, some of it confuses me as to what they want...

The section is:

Year, Quarter, District name/number, Volume, Page, Registration/Reg No, Entry Number, Date of Registration.

So, using Eliz/Theo's marriage, I would get:

[b]Year: [/b] 1887
Quarter: 4
District name/no: Plympton St Mary, Plymouth, Devon, UK
Volume: 05 B
Page: 417
Registration/Reg no: ??
Entry number: How do I find that?
Date of registration: How does that differ from what they first asked?

And have I got it right so far?  Undecided

details for internet ordering. (should work with the forms)

page one - fill in and scroll down to answer YES you have general register office index
page two - delivery details
page three - just fill in the 'red starred' bits.

That is all you need.


ps.  they've sent you some forms?  Can you do it on the internet?

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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Re: GRO is confusing me...
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 14:21 BST (UK) »

You need the year - quarter is December (not 4) District is Plympton St Mary and then the volume and page number
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 July 08 14:22 BST (UK) »

Cheers Smiley

I wondered why there were three boxes for quarter, lol.
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Re: GRO is confusing me...
« Reply #4 on: Friday 11 July 08 14:39 BST (UK) »

What do the other three bits mean anyway? (Just so I know if I am actually asked later)
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 July 08 15:16 BST (UK) »

The indexes from 1984 onwards are in a different format from the earlier ones; they are annual (hence no quarters) and they don't use volume and page numbers, but different kinds of references depending on the exact year.

If you order online the system automatically provides you with the boxes you need to fill in for the year you need (mostly)

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 July 08 15:32 BST (UK) »

I can't order online because I don't have credit/debit cards. The written form has all that on it. They didn't explain about the different time periods that you just did. I've already had the thing sent back once because I got confused between the fee for online and the fee for post requests and I just wanted to be sure so I don't get it back a second time! lol
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 July 08 15:55 BST (UK) »

I know what you mean about the forms - I've seen the new ones and they are horrible! An exercise in how to make something that is reasonably simple look as complicated as possible! When you look at them closely you realise that you don't need to fill in most of the boxes, if the sight of the thing hasn't put you off already, that is.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 July 08 16:00 BST (UK) »

Thank you! I will write over what I have in ink then send them off and hope!  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: Friday 11 July 08 16:04 BST (UK) »

Have you considered writing to Plymouth where the Plympton records are now held.

The advantage of this is that if you do make an error you won't be charged whereas the GRO charge an admin fee if they can't find a record.

Lockyer Street
Plymouth
Devon
PL1 2QD

The phone number is on this Genuki page should you need it.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/RegOffice/localoffp.html#anchor391
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Re: GRO is confusing me...
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 16 July 08 14:28 BST (UK) »

Thank you!

I now have all the info I need for the GRO references. I can send the things now...

I have another question before I do though...

"You need the year - quarter is December (not 4) District is Plympton St Mary and then the volume and page number"

Is 4qr always put as Dec, and what do you write for the other three quarters?
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 16 July 08 14:38 BST (UK) »

Registration is in 4 Quarters in one year. 

Each date that was registered would fall into the Q as shown.  So if I was b Feb. my birth would prob be registered March Q.  They allowed 6 weeks to register, but sometimes it was late etc, so would check the next Q if you cannot find.  Or BMD in Dec may not be registered until Mar Q the next year...is this what you mean?

Jan - March (March Q) BMD between these dates/mths would be registered under that Q, same for the other qtrs
April - June (June Q)
July - Sept (Sept Q)
Oct - Dec (Dec Q)

You may find this link helpful

 http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 July 08 14:51 BST (UK) »

Yes, that's what I wanted, thanks Smiley I've always thought of them as January, April, etc... Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 16 July 08 14:58 BST (UK) »

Glad it helped, check the link above, sometimes if unsure the local reg office can be more help.  They do not charge if they cannot find what you seek, the GRO always charge a search fee.

Hope you are getting on ok Ayashi, remember you from your first post  Smiley

Happy hunting, hope your certs prove worthwhile....

Best wishes

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Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 16 July 08 15:01 BST (UK) »

Thanks Cas. You've been brilliant since the beginning Cheesy

I'll get back to you on the results Smiley
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