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LibbyW
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Hannah Louise Robins 1877-1946
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I am trying to help my husband find out why his Grandmother Katherine Hannah nee Vickers, (1st marraige) Burton, (2nd marriage) Sawyer went all the way to Preston to have his mother.
Joyce Eleanor Sawyer was born 25th March 1919 at 38 West Cliff, Preston. Was this a maternity home or did maybe one of her brothers or sisters live here?
Her husband was in the 2nd Lincolns and on the birth cert is residing in Lincoln.
Hope someone can help, thanks in aniticipation.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukPerry:- Middlesex, Hertford, Essex. Britton:- Middlesex, London, Gloucester. Murray:- Lancashire. Lee:- Liverpool. Bennison:- Cumberland, Yorkshire? Robins:- Liverpool, London, Devon. Procter:- Liverpool. Westhead :- Liverpool. Norman :- Essex, Suffolk. Kitchener:- Bedford, Middlesex. Marriage:- Middlesex. Chopping:- Hertford. |
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BarbaraH
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Annie & Arthur Goodwin c.1900
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Its a couple of years early, but Historical Directories has a Preston 1917 directory that has a Mr E T Wilson at 38 West Cliff
http://www.historicaldirectories.org
No occupation listed but his phone no. was Preston 1109!
At first I thought it was a bit late to give him a ring, but then I had a quick look in the ancestry phone books - he is still listed there in the 1922 phone book, name Edward Thomas Wilson - still no occupation though.
 Barbara
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LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, McGibbon,Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry DERBYS: Goodwin, Grant LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Duck
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Pels is aways right because she's female
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Hi LibbyW
Preston Reference Library do not have any Electoral Rolls between 1914 & 1921.
The 1921 Electoral Roll has Robert Smith & Agnes Mary Smith living at 38 West Cliff. From 1924 it was the Telephone Exchange and then GPO House. It is now offices of a Buddhist Society.
On the 1916 map of Preston it is a very large house, on the 1930 map it has a major extension at the rear.
I cant find out whether it was only a dwelling house in 1919 or it had another use, I had a poor old librarian looking everywhere 
Simon
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Nash, Whittingham - Wolverhampton
Nash, Whittingham, Pardoe, Cartwright - Worcs
Osbaldeston, Kay, Wyles, - Preston, Lancs
Dippnall, Poulton, Burton, Dawes - Manchester/Salford
McPoland, Tildesley, Iveson, Fox - Lancashire North Of The Sands
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Gadget
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Posting for Simon:
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Duck
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Pels is aways right because she's female
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The above photographs are of 38 West Cliff, Preston, taken today
Thanks Gadget for posting the pics
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Nash, Whittingham - Wolverhampton
Nash, Whittingham, Pardoe, Cartwright - Worcs
Osbaldeston, Kay, Wyles, - Preston, Lancs
Dippnall, Poulton, Burton, Dawes - Manchester/Salford
McPoland, Tildesley, Iveson, Fox - Lancashire North Of The Sands
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LibbyW
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Hannah Louise Robins 1877-1946
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Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all. Hubby was rushed into hospital  by ambulance and is currently still there although they can't find out whats wrong 
Anyway those photos are amazing, quite an impressive place. His grandmother only had one sibling but did have an array of aunts and uncles across her mother two marriages but sadly no 'Mr E T Smith'. Is a man likely to be named if it was a maternity place? It looks big enough to be one, doesn't it.
According to the info you have given me Mr E T Wilson resides here from 1917 - 1922, then from 1921-1924 Robert Smith and wife..
Its bizarre, isn't it.  Not sure I can draw any conclusion yet. I will check for cousins I think.
Oh and by the way I gave you incorrect details about Katherine, sorry! It should have been
Katherine Hannah Burton, married 1900 became 'Buttery' he died 1911, she remarried Sawyer 1917.
Many, thanks for all your help so far.
I think I will check out the cousins!!!!!
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukPerry:- Middlesex, Hertford, Essex. Britton:- Middlesex, London, Gloucester. Murray:- Lancashire. Lee:- Liverpool. Bennison:- Cumberland, Yorkshire? Robins:- Liverpool, London, Devon. Procter:- Liverpool. Westhead :- Liverpool. Norman :- Essex, Suffolk. Kitchener:- Bedford, Middlesex. Marriage:- Middlesex. Chopping:- Hertford. |
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XPhile2868
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Was the 1917 Directory published in 1916 because it shows my great great grandfather Charles Harling at 23 Thornton Street, even though he died in 1916.
I'm sorry to hear about your husband LibbyW - I hope he gets well soon.
Stephen
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Smith (Lancashire), McKenna (Ireland/Liverpool/Leyland), Maynard (Hertfordshire/London/Preston), Ricketts (Gloucestershire/Wigan/Preston), Scowcroft (Preston), Harling (N. Yorkshire/Lancashire), Willis (Preston), Clegg (Manchester/Preston), Dodd (Wigan/Cheshire), Alston (Lancashire), Hulks (Hertfordshire), Nicholson (Co Mayo, Ireland/Lancashire), Brown (Co Tipperary, Ireland/Lancashire), Wilson (Kendal) Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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BarbaraH
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Poor hubby & poor you; hope he will be well and home again for weekend
Was the 1917 Directory published in 1916 because it shows my great great grandfather Charles Harling at 23 Thornton Street, even though he died in 1916. Stephen
There is an introductory page at the front of the Preston 1917 directory that gives 1917 the date of publication, but I think that like phone books, the data will lag behind a bit.
One paragraph in the intro claims that "a careful revision has been exercised.. we have been able to note the most recent changes almost up to the date of issue.." But then in the next paragraph there is an apology for the delay in publication because of the War!
So I think there will be several out of date entries.
This may be totally irrrelevant to your search, but 1901 census has Edward T Wilson, Solicitor, born 1857 living in Preston (at 320 Tulketh Rd). Wife Mary M Wilson, born 1866 in Bath, Somerset - do you have Somerset links?
Barbara
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LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, McGibbon,Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry DERBYS: Goodwin, Grant LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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LibbyW
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I'm sorry if I didn't thank you all enough, I was somewhat distracted. I am thrilled with the response and hubby is over the moon with the pics. It has given us both a boost to search alittle deeper into why she would go here to give birth!!
As Heyesie says it certainly looks like it could have been a hospital type place.
Did they have maternity homes in 1919?
Anyway your help is much appreciated!
Thank you
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukPerry:- Middlesex, Hertford, Essex. Britton:- Middlesex, London, Gloucester. Murray:- Lancashire. Lee:- Liverpool. Bennison:- Cumberland, Yorkshire? Robins:- Liverpool, London, Devon. Procter:- Liverpool. Westhead :- Liverpool. Norman :- Essex, Suffolk. Kitchener:- Bedford, Middlesex. Marriage:- Middlesex. Chopping:- Hertford. |
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Duck
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LibbyW
This is a puzzler 
Katherine Hannah was born in Lincoln, married twice in Lincoln, her husband at the time of the birth in 1919 lives in Lincoln. What is the connection with Preston
Have you managed to trace her back through the censuses
I have a slight theory, if 38 West Cliff was a Nursing Home, perhaps her husband was stationed at the barracks in Preston and she was there with him and he had to return to Lincoln and leave her.
Long shot, I know, and how to prove it
Simon
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Nash, Whittingham - Wolverhampton
Nash, Whittingham, Pardoe, Cartwright - Worcs
Osbaldeston, Kay, Wyles, - Preston, Lancs
Dippnall, Poulton, Burton, Dawes - Manchester/Salford
McPoland, Tildesley, Iveson, Fox - Lancashire North Of The Sands
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LibbyW
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Hannah Louise Robins 1877-1946
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Duck
I think that just about sums up our thinking too?
Q Why didn;t we ask these questions when people where alive??
A Because we hadn't started researching the family tree!!!
just to add to our puzzle..............
the husband who was in the 2nd Lincolns, (have medal record but can't find pension details)came from Ireland supposedly with his brother, we can find no trace of either of them, I believe they changed there names when they came to the UK.
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we know he died in Portsmouth and was astranged from his wife but we have still to find a death cert
So currently hubby has a very lop sided family tree
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukPerry:- Middlesex, Hertford, Essex. Britton:- Middlesex, London, Gloucester. Murray:- Lancashire. Lee:- Liverpool. Bennison:- Cumberland, Yorkshire? Robins:- Liverpool, London, Devon. Procter:- Liverpool. Westhead :- Liverpool. Norman :- Essex, Suffolk. Kitchener:- Bedford, Middlesex. Marriage:- Middlesex. Chopping:- Hertford. |
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