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Vic H
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If someone wouldn't mind looking up the family details of Joseph Heaton & wife Sally )(nee brown) in the 1851 & 1861 census. I need to establish exactly which family my husb desc. John Robert Heaton (b. 1841 in Keighley I think) belonged to. In researching john for his brothers & sisters I have several listings of Joseph & Sally (Sarah) so cannot get an exact family. I thankyou in advance cheers from Oz Vicki
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suzard
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there is ths family
1851 Temple Row
Joseph heaton head M 47 constable Keighley Yorks
Sally wife 40 Housekeeper Bradford Yorks
Hannah daughter 16 Bradford
Michael son 14 bradford
John son 8 Bradford
mary daughter 6 keighley Yorks
Joseph son 5 kighley
Charles son 2 Keighley
HO107 2287 690 pages 32 & 33
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Vic H
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hi there again suzard, thankyou for your help once again, if by chance can you have a quick look in 1861 census. the reason for my ask is that according to the igi i have another joseph  b. 1850 & a william b. 1853 thanks heaps vicki |
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suzard
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I can't find Joseph and Sally in 1861
but here they are in 1841
address : Ginnel (a ginnel is an alleyway -not a place)
Howarth Yorks
(Keighley reg district)
William Bowcock 65 Plasterer
William brown 30
Joseph Heaton 35 Ind
Sally 30
Hannah 6
Michael 4
all b in county
HO107 1295 7 14 23
but how certain are you that John Roberts parents were Joseph and Sally??
are you saying John Robert had brothers Joseph 1850 and William 1853?? I can't seem to find them
there is this family as well with a John of correct age
Birth reg FreeBMD
John Robert Heaton
Jun qtr 1839
keighley
23 269
1841
Haworth Yorks
(Keighley reg district)
Holmes heaton 30
Sally 30
William 7
james 4
John 1
all b in county
HO107 1295 7 26 12
1851
Old Fields Haworth yoks
(Keighley reg district)
Holmes Heaton 40 Engineer Haworth Yorks
Sally wife 41 Stanbury Yorks
William son 17 Jobber Mill ditto
James son 14 Spinner ditto
John son 11 factory Short timer ditto
Elizabeth daughter 8 Factory short timer ditto
harriet daughter Haworth Yorks
Robert son 3 Howarth Yorks
HO107 2287 863 17
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Vic H
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Hi Suzard
The info that I am working on was from my father-in law's (dcd.) memory. His parents were Horace Heaton & Sarah Trotter, his grandparents were John Robert Heaton & Sarah Hale. Horace's brothers were Albert & Vernon. I found John Robert in the 1881 census, stating his p.o.b. as "Roughly"  , York, Eng. I have the b. cert of Vernon Heaton & have managed to come with this so far.
Name: Joseph HEATON
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Birth: 25 Dec 1807 Oxenhope, Keighley, Yorkshire, Eng4, 5005460
Death: 7 Dec 1897
Baptism: 25 Aug 1810 Oxenhope, Keighley, Yorkshire, Eng
Father: Joseph HEATON (1771-)
Mother: Sarah LUTY (1773-1866)
Marriage: 4 Dec 1834 Haworth, Yorkshire, Eng4, Batch # MO 18512, 0990541
Marriage Memo: 23695 mo 18512 0652
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Spouse: Sally BROWN
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Birth: 1808
Children:
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1 F: Hannah HEATON
Birth: 28 Jan 1835 Haworth, Yorkshire, Eng
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2 M: Michael HEATON
Birth: 21 Oct 1836 Haworth, Yorkshire, Eng
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3 M: William HEATON (died as infant)
Birth: 19 Aug 1839 Haworth, Yorkshire, Eng
Death: 1840
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4 M: John Robert HEATON4, Batch # 7118824, 0538873
Birth: 9 Apr 1841 Keighley, Yorkshire, Eng
Birth Memo: Census info pl of b. Roughley !
Spouse: Sarah HALE
Marriage: 1879 Sunderland, Durham, Eng
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5 F: Mary HEATON (may have been stillborn)
Birth: 18 Sep 1841 Keighley, Yorkshire, Eng
Birth Memo: b. 5 months after John.? not possible investigate further!
Death: 1841
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6 F: Mary HEATON
Birth: 1843 Keighley, Yorkshire, Eng
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7 F: Joseph HEATON
Birth: 17 Dec 1845 Keighley, Yorkshire, Eng
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8 M: Charles HEATON
Birth: 1849
Spouse: Elizabeth
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9 F: Sarah HEATON (died as infant)
Birth: Aug 1850
Death: 2 Sep 1850
The first Mary is possibly incorrect. William I have now found a death.
I am not certain of the parents of John Robert, this is my investigation.
I do have entries for another Joseph & William but have since discounted them.
You however may be right about Holmes & Sally if they are indeed the parents of John ROBERT?. I will have to get the d. cert of John Robert to found out exactly.
thanks for your help again, Vicki
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suzard
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Hi Vicki,
Looks like Horace had 3 brothers -not 2!!!
1891
43 tees St Bishopswearmouth Durham
John R Heaton Head M 51 Photographer Keighley Yorks
Sarah wife 40 Bristol Glos
Albert son 11 Sunderland
Vernon son 9 Sunderland
harold son 7 Sunderland
Horace son 5 Sunderland
RG12 4134 124 57
can't find John Robert or Sarah in 1901-but here are the sons
1901
Lodging House
5 bedford St
Sunderland
(very large lodging house -there are a couple of pages of lodgers)
Albert heaton Lodger U 20 Shipyard labourer Sunderland
Harold heaton Lodger U 17 Drainer Sunderland
RG13 4705 10 12
and the other 2 brothers-only 2 lodgers in this house
1901
137 Church St Sunderland Durham
Omer Johnson head M 50 Baker
Amelia wife 31
Horace Heaton Lodger 12
Vernon Heaton Lodger 19 Tailor
all b Sunderland
RG13 4722 33 58
note Sarah is age 28 in 1881 and in 1891 she 's Sarah A age 40.
You have John Robert's birth as 9 April 1841 -yet the only birth reg I can find is (freeBMD)
John Robert heaton
Jun qtr 1839 Keighley
23 269
His age on census is consistent - 1881 age 41, 1891 age 51 which would give im a birth date of c. 1840 -so 1839 birth could be correct-allowing for date census was taken. However ages on census are not always accurate -as you can tell by Sarah's age diference??
Wonder where John Robert and Sarah were in 1901???
Suz
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Vic H
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Hi Suzard
Wonderful information, another brother that no one mentioned, interesting! thankyou.
Interesting you can only find Birth reg FreeBMD
John Robert Heaton
Jun qtr 1839
keighley
23 269
I have a photocopy slip which I applied for from Utah (years ago before I had i/net) of an igi listing for a John Heaton, b. Keighley, Keighley, Yorks, England, b. 9 April 1841, Chr. Haworth, Yorks, Eng. Father: Joseph mother: Sally, Residence: Keighley, Source: Haworth Parish reg. trans. by corresp.
I also have a photocopy slip for John Heaton b. 27 Feb 1840, Stanbury, Haworth, York, England. Chr. Haworth, Parents: Holmes & Sally. Residence: Stanbury. I went however for the "Keighley "entry.
This is what I have been working off all these years as no John Robert showed up at the time. I like your entry better  . Was his parents Holmes & Sally? Is Stanbury, near / in "Keighley"?Do you think I have been tracking the wrong family...rrrr frustrating 
Vicki
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suzard
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Don't worry Sisterjane - we need to find as much indfo as we can
the IGI entry for John 9 apr 1841 parents Joseph/ Sally is a member submitted record
the John c30 may 1841 haworth parents Holmes and Sally is an extracted record - so more reliable
Vicki, remember the dates given on IGI are the christening dates (unles it states otherwise???) - not all children were christened within weeks of their birth
there is also a John Heaton c 14 )ct 1839 haworth parents John/Susey?
I don't know if you've been tracking the wrong family - but on IGI I can find no John Robert heatons.
maybe it would be worth purchasing John Robert's birth or marriage cert???
Suz
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Vic H
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Hi Sister Jane & Suzard,
Sister Jane, thankyou for the 1861 entry I was well aware of who found what & wouldn't dream of blaming anyone for misinfo. It looks like I have managed to go down wrong paths all on my merry own, so will blame ME  . Unfortunately I didn't get to reply to you as severe windy storms & rain yesterday disrupted my satelite connection. No broadband where I live out in the west of NSW.
Yes it is a toughy, like I said from the word go I need to establish exactly which family my husb desc. John Robert Heaton (b. 1841 in Keighley I think) belonged to. My info is not concrete, as I said earlier all that I have is what my father-in-lawcould tell me & , His parents were Horace Heaton & Sarah Trotter, his grandparents were John Robert Heaton & Sarah Hale. Horace's brothers were Albert & Vernon. I found John Robert in the 1881 census, stating his p.o.b. as "Roughly" , York, Eng. I have the b. cert of Vernon Heaton
I am aware of b. & chr. listings on IGI, the slip I have of John b. Apr 1841 is a b. entry.
The b. cert of Vernon reg. in Sth Bishopearmouth, Durham: is 25/10/1881, 20 Lodge Terrace, Sunderland. parents:John Robert Heaton & Sarah formerly Hale.
On Vernons marr. cert. in 1907 states John Robert Heaton as deceased. As he doesn't appear in 1901 census I have been looking for a d. 1881 -1901. I found a John Robert Heaton, est. b. 1839 in the Oct-Nov-Dec 1898, age 59, District Burnley, Lancashire, Yorkshire. Vol 8e. This could be him? I have a Sarah Heaton est. b 1851 d. Apr-May- Jun 1893, age 42 District "Keighly" Yorkshire. this could be her? but there is an entry (freeBDM) for a marriage for a John Robert Heaton in 1881 District Burnley, Lancashire, Yorkshire. Albert was b. 1880, Vernon 1881... Sunderland! Yike it just gets worse Are there 2 John Roberts?
I think I will try to buy John Roberts m. cert (not sure how), the info I have is that they were married in 1879, so I will try to subst. an exact year & place today & go down this path hopefully I can get some solid facts.
thanks heaps & cheers from a sunny windy oz. Vicki
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Vernon Heaton born 25 OCT 1881, Sunderland, County Durham, England died 11 SEP 1929, Jesmond, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England. Will left 158873 pounds, 6 shillings and 9 pence to wife Margaret Jane (Wainman) Heaton. Only known daughter of this couple born abt SEP 1915, Newcastle-upon-Tyne was Edna Heaton who married Mark Marshall Spraggon at St. George's, Jesmond, 2 MAR 1935. Mark Marshall Spraggon divorced her in 1937. Have you the date/town/church where Edna's parents married in 1907?
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Vic H
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Hi barryd,
Ok what I have on Vernon & Margaret Jane is that they were m. 24 mar 1907 in Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England. marr cert. # 17. I have Edna as a daughter however I have her as having married a Philip Wharton in 1939 they had 2 shildren b. dates unknown. no mention of the prev fellow Mark Spraggon.
Other children of Vernon & Margaret are Vernon b 1908 d 1990 (whom I met & got all this information from, I also met with his children........ , Ronald & Leslie (female).
Are you related somehow? hope you are & that I have helped, cheers from oz, vicki
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