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On parish lists, the spelling I find for Sidmonton is Sydmonton and it is 2.6 miles from Kingsclere - so the right part of town.
I'm probably off track - but just to mention, there is an Abraham Paice in 1861, 71 born in Sydmonton (with spelling variations  ), of the right age & I can't find him in 1851/41.
1861 - RG9/696 65/15
1871 RG10/1215 33/19
I would think your 1841 entry is correct, as ages were rounded down in that census. The baptism also looks to be correct (although perhaps when he was older? ) There is a Gabriel Hesley in the same batch with the parents James and Jemima - which seem to fit. Also with the same parents Elizabeth, Charlotte and Isaac - all with various spelling of the surname. Perhaps if you find some of them, you may find brother Abraham.
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Kingsclere baptisms all the children of James and Jemima
6th February 1820
Charlotte Elsbury
26th December 1824
Gabriel Hesley
5th August 1827
Abraham Illsley
26th August 1832
Isaac Elesbury
1861 census RG9 749 folio 55
7 Eldon Place Reading Berkshire
Gabriel Elsbury 37 Head Married Labourer Silminton Hants
Mary Elsbury 39 Wife Married Kingsclere Hants
Frederick J Elsbury 6 Son Reading Berks
Charles Elsbury 3 Son Reading Berks
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1871 census RG10 1284 folio 8
2 Eldon Place Reading Berkshire
Gabriel Elsbury 47 Head Married Carman Sidmonton Hants
Mary Elsbury 49 Wife Married Kingsclere Hants
Charles Elsbury 13 Son Labourer at biscuit factory Reading Berks
Frank Elsbury 6 Son Reading Berks
1881 census RG11 1308 folio 71
4 Eldon Place Reading Berkshire
Gabriel Elsbury 58 Head Married Farm Labourer Sidmonton Hants
Mary Elsbury 59 Wife Married Kingsclere Hants
Charles Elsbury 23 Son Printer Compositor Reading Berks
Frank Elsbury 16 Son Factory Labourer Reading Berks
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1891 census RG12 996 folio 32
4 York Terrace Reading Berkshire
Gabriel Elsbury 68 Head Married Factory Labourer Sydmonton Hants
Mary Elsbury 69 Wife Married Kingsclere Hants
Charles Elsbury 33 Son Unmarried Printer overseer Reading Berks
Frederick Elsbury 12 Grandson Walthamstow London
1901 census RG13 1150 folio 24
4 York Terrace Reading Berkshire
Gabriel Elsbury 78 Head Married Carman retired Sydmonton Hants
Mary Elsbury 79 Head Married Kingsclere Hants
Frederick Elsbury 22 Grandson Printer machine minder London
1841 census HO107 392/15 folio 4
Sidmonton Hampshire
Jas Ellsbury 60 Ag lab
Jamima Ellsbury 50
James Ellsbury 30
Charlotte Ellsbury 20
Isaac Ellsbury 9
all born Hampshire
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Mum and Dad seem to be with James, 30, Charlotte 20 and Isaac 9 in 1841 surname Ellsbury
HO107/392/15 3/1 living in Sidmonton Edit: sorry Valda mentioned that one
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No marriage for James and Jemima in Hampshire
1851 census HO107 1684 folio 131
Brick Cottage Sidmonton Hampshire
James Ellesbury 71 Head Married Ag lab Chilton Wiltshire
Jemima Ellesbury 61 Wife Married Stockcross Berkshire
James Ellesbury 40 Unmarried Ag lab Stockcross Berkshire
Isaac Ellesbury 18 Son Ag lab Sidmonton Hants
Stock Cross is in the parish of Speen - registers not covered by the IGI
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The other siblings and parents are all easy to find and place. Abraham doesn't stay on with Gabriel as illustrated though there are other Elsbury birth registrations in Reading registration district that don't fit with Gabriel's family as shown from the censuses.
Births Jun 1852
ELSBURY Ann Elizabeth Reading 2c 310
Births Sep 1856
Elsbury Matilda Elizabeth Reading 2c 320
Births Mar 1860
ELSBURY George Edwin Reading 2c 373
Births Sep 1861
ELSBURY Alice Reading 2c 329
Deaths Sep 1861
Elsbury Alice Reading 2c 209
Alice could be a daughter of Gabriel and Mary
Nothing further for any of these children in the civil registration and nothing showing with any connection to Gabriel's family. There are later Elsbury birth, marriage and deaths in Reading registration district so it doesn't mean this particular group have any connection to Gabriel and Abraham but at this point I can't spot them on the 1861 census. Could be a complete red herring. No births, marriages or deaths for Elsbury in Reading registration district before 1852.
There is an Elizabeth Elsbury aged 6 born Bradfield a nurse child on the 1861 census.
Abraham Paice clearly gives Soberton as his birthplace on the 1861 census mispelt as Syburton on the 1871 census
Soberton baptism
18th February 1816
Abraham Paice
parents Issaac and Sarah
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Takes one off the list but the others may or may not have a connection
ANN ELIZABETH ELSBURY
Christening: 13 JUN 1852 Saint Giles, Reading, Berkshire
Father: GABRIEL ELSBURY
Mother: MARY
Deaths Sep 1855
Elesbury Ann Elizabeth Reading 2c *
Turning back to the Abraham R Elsbury death registration in 1914 - it could be this man who may just not have liked the name Abraham.
Deaths Mar 1914
Elsbury Abraham R 91 Brentford 3a 113
1901 census RG13 1185 folio 101
4 Quinums Cottages Heston Middlesex
Robert Elsbury 76 Head Married Market Gardener Labourer Aylesbury Bucks
Eliza Elsbury 68 Wife Married Bedfont Middlesex
Alice M Elsbury 21 Daughter Factory hand margarine Hounslow Middlesex
Rose E Elsbury 18 Daughter Factory hand margarine Hounslow Middlesex
Kate H Elsbury 12 granddaughter Houslow Middlesex
In 1881 Robert gives his birthplace as Berkshire, specifying in 1871 that it was Newbury. In 1861 he states Devon! All censuses are in Heston which registers in Brentford registration district. In 1861 Robert was lodging in Heston unmarried. The 1891 census is the most interesting.
RG12 1025 folio
4 Wellington Place Heston Middlesex
Robert Elsbury 69 Head Married Agricultural labourer North Symbeton Hants
Elizabeth Elsbury 58 Wife Married Bedfont Middlesex
William J Elsbury 26 Son Jobbing gardener Heston Middlesex
Charlotte Elsbury 15 Daughter no occupation Heston Middlesex
Edward Elsbury 13 Daughter No occupation Heston Middlesex
Alice Elsbury 11 Daughter Heston Middlesex
Rose Elsbury 8 Daughter Heston Middlesex
Katie Elsbury 2 Daughter Heston Middlesex
You would need Abraham's death certificate details to see whether the R initial is Robert.
There is a marriage in Brentford registration district at about the right time but not unfortunately to an Eliza or Elizabeth and there is no indication Eliza had another name or there was another wife who died young in Brentford registration district.
Marriages Sep 1863
Elsbury Robert Brentford 3a 91
either
Randcomb Emma Brentford 3a 91
or
Robinson Lucy Joyce Brentford 3a 91
Deaths Sep 1906
Elsbury Eliza 73 Brentford 3a 59
I can't see a candidate for Robert on the 1851 and 1841 censuses in southern England but with such a variation in places of birth and the possibility of the surname being mispelt in various ways it is difficult to be sure.
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So probably all Reading 1850s Elsbury registration births are likely to be connected to Gabriel's family and the Elsburys of Heston are the family you should try to prove or disprove as Gabriel's brother Abraham and his family.
Births Sep 1856
Elsbury Matilda Elizabeth Reading 2c 320
Deaths Sep 1856
AYLESBURY Matilda Elizabeth Reading 2c 21_
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The censuses do not reveal any other candidate for the 1863 Brentford registered marriage.
Robert appears in this person's tree
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?pid=-1347372263&tid=6089550&ssrc=
spouses given are Eliza Colesel and Elizabeth. I don't think from the censuses there really were two wives. 1871 census Robert's wife is called Eliza, aged 37 and born Bedfont, 1881 Eliza aged 46 and born Bedfont, 1891 Elizabeth aged 58 born Bedfont and 1901 census Eliza aged 68 born Bedfont. All consistent with the death registration for Eliza in 1906.
However the surname Colesel/Cobsel is consistent with a reference on FreeBMD to the same quarter as Robert's marriage.
From FreeBMD
Marriages Sep 1863
Burd Ellen Brentford 3a 96
Cobsel Eliza Brentford 3a 96
Colesel Eliza Brentford 3a 96
Spratley Thomas Brentford 3a 96
The GRO register itself gives the refernce for Eliza and Robert as
Eliza Cobsel 3a 96
Robert Elsbury 3a 96
and not as FreeBMD have transcribed for Robert 3a 91
The tree also states that Robert's father's name was James which makes you think they must have seen details of the marriage, though no date or place is given for it, or the name of Eliza's father. Still James would be the right name for Abraham's father.
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