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Topic: Llanfawr and Gwyddelwern (Read 1742 times)
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Gadget
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Hi Moe 
I'm not able to check out the births of Margaret's and Morris's children unfortunately. It might be that the marriage of Margaret Jones and Morris Jones would be the way forward. I'm assuming that this would be circa 1832-3. I'll PM Paul to see if he might look for possible marriages of the pair in Llangwm/Bettws or Gwyddelwern.
I can confirm the baptism of Margaret in Gwyddelwern in 1809 though - as above.
Regards
Gadget
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moe1939
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Hi Gadget,
I have no problem with the children of Morris and Margaret Jones, Ellinor 1834 would be my g gm I was trying to confirm that her mother Margaret's (1809)
parents were William and Elizabeth Jones What confused me was in reference of your answer to Tracy and the tree line she is working on, I was wondering if there were two Margarets born in 1809??
I have Morris and Margaret in the 1841 and 1851 census but after that they just vanish into thin air I suspect one or both died because I believe I have some of the children visiting or staying with others from 1861 - 1901.
If you or Paul are able to verify the connection of my Margaret to William and Elizabeth it would help... Thank you in advance Moe
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Jones...Llannfwrog, Ruthin, Denbighshire. Ashton, Heywood, Lancashire, Stockport Cheshire. Heap.....Heywood, Bolton, Lancashire. McManus Galway, Ireland. All Census Lookups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Hi Moe
I can only say that there is a baptism in 1809 for a Margaret Jones d/o William and Elizabet Jones of Ty Mawr in the Gwyddelwern parish records.
I listed that one as the closest that I could find to Tracy's Margaret who was b. Gwyddelwern circa 1811.
Gadget
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moe1939
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Hi Gadget
OK that clears it up for me .....Thanks Moe
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Jones...Llannfwrog, Ruthin, Denbighshire. Ashton, Heywood, Lancashire, Stockport Cheshire. Heap.....Heywood, Bolton, Lancashire. McManus Galway, Ireland. All Census Lookups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Paul
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Hi Moe, could this be him, Bridget. It's the only one I could see.
Llangwm. March 13 1822.
Morris Jones(x) of Llangwm. bachelor.
Margaret Jones(x) of this parish.
Witnesses. Owen Owens & Henry Hughes.
Could only see one baptism up to 1850.
Dec 1 1822 Sarah d/o Morris & Margaret Jones. Llangwm. Farmer.
Paul.
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Gadget
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Hi Paul
If she was b. 1809, the 1822 marriage seems a bit early 
Bridget/Gadget
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Gadget
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Definitely baptised 13 Jan 1809
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moe1939
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Hi Paul
I don't think so The 1841 census shows
Morris Jones 25 yrs old b 1816 (this has been rounded off from 27yrs old 1851 shows 37 b 1814. Ag. Lab. also Tyn Y Graig and Gwyddelwern.
Margaret Jones 30 yrs old 1811 (rounded from 33 shows 43 1808 christening may have been in 1809, I have a date 13 jan 1809 not sure if birth or christening) with the children listed in post above. Maybe the birth was 1808 worth a try.
I appreciate you getting back to me Paul.
Hi Moe, could this be him, Bridget. It's the only one I could see.
Llangwm. March 13 1822.
Morris Jones(x) of Llangwm. bachelor.
Margaret Jones(x) of this parish.
Witnesses. Owen Owens & Henry Hughes.
Could only see one baptism up to 1850.
Dec 1 1822 Sarah d/o Morris & Margaret Jones. Llangwm. Farmer.
Paul.
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Jones...Llannfwrog, Ruthin, Denbighshire. Ashton, Heywood, Lancashire, Stockport Cheshire. Heap.....Heywood, Bolton, Lancashire. McManus Galway, Ireland. All Census Lookups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lloyd
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Gwyddelwern marriage June 28 1839.
Robert Jones. full age. bachelor. Farmer. abode, Pentre cwm, Cerrigydrudion. Father, Ellis. Occ, Farmer.
Martha Jones. full age. spinster. abode, Sh?? Druid. Father, William. Occ, Farmer.
Witnesses. Hugh Jones & G?Huh Jones.
Robert Jones was a son of Ellis Jones (1785-1842), of Pentre Cwm, which was a farm in Cwmpenanner in the parish of Cerrigydrudion, close to its border with Llanfor parish. Ellis was the youngest child of Robert and Margaret Jones of Pentre Cwm.
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castana1985
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Gwyddelwern marriage June 28 1839.
Robert Jones. full age. bachelor. Farmer. abode, Pentre cwm, Cerrigydrudion. Father, Ellis. Occ, Farmer.
Martha Jones. full age. spinster. abode, Sh?? Druid. Father, William. Occ, Farmer.
Witnesses. Hugh Jones & G?Huh Jones.
Robert Jones was a son of Ellis Jones (1785-1842), of Pentre Cwm, which was a farm in Cwmpenanner in the parish of Cerrigydrudion, close to its border with Llanfor parish. Ellis was the youngest child of Robert and Margaret Jones of Pentre Cwm.
Thank you so much for this information. You wouldn't know who Ellis married would you??
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Seymour: Swain: Nolan: Hague: Minshull: Evans: Jones: Roberts: Bailey: Oldham: Thorpe: Ashton: Short: Ollier: Edwards: Sharples: Fish: Johnson: Leech: Woodlington: Hatcher: Richardson: Young: Hadfield: Sidall: Stafford: Wild: Manchip: Hopkins: Holt: Howarth
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Lloyd
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Ellis Jones married Gwen Roberts at Llanfor parish church on 29 December 1812. I don't know who Gwen was.
Their children were Robert (1813), Margaret (1814), John (abt 1816), Elinor (1819), Evan (1821), Jane (1823), Catharine (1825), Gwen (1828), Evan (1829), Susannah (1831), Ellis (1833) and David (1836) (it seems odd for there to be children born over a period of 23 years but it is correct).
Margaret and Susannah and their families emigrated to USA in 1851 and their mother Gwen (by then a widow) apparently went with them. Perhaps other members of the family went too.
How do you link to the family?
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Lloyd
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My last post was misleading: Margaret and her husband Hugh Hughes and children emigrated in 1851, Susannah emigrated later (between 1851 and 1854) and married in USA, and their mother Gwen is said to have emigrated too, though the date is not known.
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JARICA
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Just to add another dimension to the Llanfawr/Llanfor ongoing dialogue, my gg grandmother Winifred Williams [nee Roberts] born there in 1849 was the daughter of William and Hannah Roberts of Llanfor
Last year I literally got in my car and allowed the sat nav. to take me there..... its incredibly small but there appears to be many Roberts living there since the early 1800s so I have found it incredibly difficult to 'trace' my Winifred's birthday cert and other ancestors details
Christine 
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