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Baudoux
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Looking for a Herbert Lees(e) born supposedly in 1890 in Newport as I have been told. I was also told by a relative that Herbert could be the son of Thomas Lees and Sarah Ann Bradley. I tried to order a Birth Certificate but the Registry Office was unable to find him.
Your help woul be greatly appreciated.
Doris B.
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Hi Doris
There does not seem to be any evidence of a Herbert Lees(e) being registered anywhere in Shropshire around 1890.
However, based on the 1891 census, Thomas and Sarah Ann Leese (nee Bradley) have a one year son called Albert E Leese born at Lilleshall. He is also with them on the 1901 census aged 11.
There is a birth registration for an Albert Edward Leese in 1889 JAS quarter in Newport which might be him.
Could this be who your relative meant ?
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Thank you very much for trying to help me with regards Herbert Lees (1890).
My Great Aunts and Great Uncles are Thomas William (1869); Joseph Thomas (1st) (1872) (My Grandfather); Julia (1874); Sabina (1877); John (1879); George (1881); William Henry (1883); Leonard (1884); Harriet (1887)' Albert Edward (1889).
I have been successful in obtaining Birth Certificates for the above. I have started looking for #1 child Thomas William (1869) - who he married - children - death. Don't know how I will approach this. Then with any luck I will follow up with Sabina(1877); William Henry(1883); Harriet(1887) and Albert Edward (1889)
I am beginning to think Herbert Lees(e) must have connection with another Lees(e) family.
If you could tell me how I would seek information on my family further, any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Dpris B.
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Hi Doris
There was a Herbert Leese registered in 1890 at Newcastle under Lyme in the AMJ quarter but it looks like he died in the JAS quarter. That is the only registration that I can see for a Herbert Leese (per se) anywhere in England between 1885 and 1895. There are quite a lot without the final "e" but not in Shropshire.
Regarding your last sentence.....
Unless you actually know what to look for (from family knowledge) the period between 1901 and 1912 (where there is currently no census information available and the BMD indexes do not include matching spouses or mother's maiden names) is very difficult. You can peruse the BMD indexes and try to find possible marriages or births but unless you can corroborate the results they are really worthless .... and it can be very expensive buying certificates in search of that corroboration.
Most of us are in the same boat, waiting for the 1911 census to become available and perhaps hoping, in the meantime, for an hitherto unknown relative to make contact (via RootsChat or one or more sites on which family trees are stored) and provide information about their particular arm of the family etc.
Sorry if that does not sound too encouraging (for the next three years) but I think it is realistic 
Maybe someone else will jump in and offer something a bit more optimistic.
For what this is worth, on Ancestry, two people have family trees suggesting that Sabina Leese married John Lowe in 1904. One of the trees contains no other members of the Leese family but is quite detailed about the Lowe side. The other tree contains the Leese family as on the 1901 census but with no added information (and the owner does not have Sarah Ann’s maiden name).
Also for what this is worth, my own inclination would be that Harriet Leese married Frederick Charles Grindley in 1907. This is based on the circumstantial fact that there was a birth of a Rosemary Grindley in 1913 (in Wellington) with a mother’s maiden name of Leese .... and there are a few Pitchford births (in Wellington) with a mother’s maiden name of Briscoe (which seem to belong to the other possible pairing from the 1907 marriage list on FreeBMD).
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Many many thanks for your information. I have printed it off so I can study it over a cup of tea ha! ha!. You have been a great help and guess we will have to wait until more information comes out.
I am a senior who resides in Nova Scotia Canada. I am searching Leese/Humpherson. My ancestors come from Donnington Wood. I have recently sent pictures of my Grandmother's Church, St. Matthews, Donnington Wood to the Church. They are abt. 100 yrs. old. I heard from the Church Archivist who had never seen them. The church was glad to get the pictures and made me very proud that they are now displayed in the church with a little write up about yours truly. I am glad the pictures have returned home.
Again many thanks.
Doris B.
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I think I did send you a partial reply, but like I say I printed it off and I again would like to point out some other possibilities you had mention. Harriet Leese/Grindley interests me. I have quite a few Harriet's on my tree and one or two Harriet Leese's, so I have to search this out.
Getting back to Herbert Leese. I am agreeing with you as to a connection Albert Edward Leese/Herbert Leese.. Albert and Herbert are very much the same and where the birth year are the same. I think Herbert is actually Albert.
Could I please ask if there is any way you could find out anything on the following children. They are children of Johm Lee/Lees and Katherine Summerfield: Mary(1732); Rebecca (1733); Elizabeth (1735 married Thomas Crowdeer; John (1739); Richard )1740) died as a child; Samuel (1742);
Ann 1744); died as a child; Thomas (1746) died as a childp; William (1732) MY DIRECT LINE
Thanking you in advance.
Doris B.
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Hi Doris
I can see all of those children listed in IGI Batch C034741 but I am afraid that I do not have direct access to any other Shropshire records prior to the 1841 census and I live many miles away from Shropshire. Unfortunately, therefore, I do not think that I, personally, will be able to help much with this particular question.
I have looked on FreeReg but there does not seem to be anything relevant. I have noticed, however (from a general search), that my local library holds copies of some Parish Registers for Shropshire. For Newport it only holds the Roman Catholic one from 1785 to 1846 but if you think there may be something in there, I will be happy to have a look for you when I am next in the area.
Hopefully someone else who can offer a bit more help will read this and possibly post a more useful reply for you.
Sorry to let you down
DS
ps I noticed (from the same general search) that the library (allegedly) has a copy of the transcribed Parish Register for Donnington from 1557 to 1812.
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I thank you very much for replying. Yes if you are in the area I would very muc appreciate seeing what you could find. I do not want to impose, just if the time is convenient for you.
Again thank you.
Doris B.
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Hi Doris
I went to the local Reference Library and had a look at the transcribed Parish Register for Donnington 1556 to 1812.
It was produced by the Shropshire Parish Register Society and the version that I saw was printed in 1901.
The first paragraph says (and I quote).....
“A trew copye of the regester booke of the p’ishe of Dunningeton contayninge all the christenings, weddings and buryalls wh. have beene since ye yeare of our Lord God 1556 and from the third and fourth yeares of Phylyp and Marye by ye Grace of God of England, Fraunce [erased] salem and Ireland, Kynge and Queene ...”
I looked for all instances of the names Lees(e) and Humpherson. There were a few of the former but none of the latter (per se) but I did find some with the names Humfreyson and Humfreston.
I will list all the entries that I found, below. I do not know if any of them are relevant to your own family and I think some of them also appear on the IGI but at least you can have a look and do with them as you please.
I hope that some of the following information is of use.
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Lees(e) entries in Donnington Parish Register 1556-1812
Baptisms
1741 Jun 18 Elizth d. of John and Mary Leese of Humfreston
1743 Sep 29 Jane d. of John and Mary Leeses of Humfreston
1754 Dec 15 Ann d. of John Lees, Labourer, and Mary
1772 Aug 26 Thomas s. of Wm and Ann Leese, privately
1774 Jan 27 John s. of Wm and Ann Leese, of Humfreston
Burials
1731 Aug 29 Elizabeth w. of John Lees
1740 Aug 3 Sarah w. of John Leese
1745 Feb 9 Mary w. of John Leese of Humfreston
1747 May 22 Ann Leese, servant to William Yates
1769 Oct 11 John Leese of Humphreston
1777 Aug 24 William Leese of Treesell, Co. Staffs
Marriages
1732 May 29 John Lees and Sarah Cheatham both of D., B.
1758 Nov 9 William Masefield, of Edgemont and Mary Lees. lic
1764 Jun 18 Joseph Willington, of Gnosall, and Elizabeth Lees, of D., lic
1767 Nov 30 John Hampton, of Preston and Jane Lees, lic ., JNO BROWN; curate.
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Humfreyson (and similar) entries in Donnington Parish Register 1556-1812
Baptism
1558 Feb 3 Thomas s. of William Humfreyson
Burials
1559 Mar 15 Thomas Humfreyson of Humfreyson
1559 Aug 24 William Humfreyson of Humfreyson, Esq. and householder
Marriage
1560 Jul 9 Thomas, s. of Hugh Cowper of Albrighton, Husbandman and Katherin Humphreyson, Wydowe, late wief of Wylliam Humfreyson of Humfreyson, diceased. (Typed as it is printed)
1600 Footnote
“Mr Vincent Corbet, third son of Sir Andrew Corbet of Moreton Corbet born 1554; entered Shrewsbury School in 1562; graduated BA of St John’s College, Cambridge in 1573. Married Frances, daughter and eventual heiress of William Humfreston of Humfreston (see August 24 and March 15 1559). Succeeding his elder brothers, he succeeded to the family estate in 1606, was knighted in 1607 and died in 1623”.
1349 Roger de Humphreston became Rector of Donnington (was Vicar of St Crosses in Salop).
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I also looked in the Roman Catholic Register for Newport, Shropshire which covered Baptisms from 1785 to 1843 and Marriages from 1807 to 1846. This book was not on the reference library shelf and the assistant very kindly went and "dug it out" from somewhere for me.
I almost wished that I had not asked when I saw that it was all in Latin  (I suppose that I should have known but it did not occur to me beforehand).
There were no references at all to the name Humpherson (or similar) but there were a few mentions of the name Lees, which I will attempt to reproduce below .....
1796 Die tertia Julii 1797 baptizata fuit Sarah Lees filea Joannae Lees. Patrius fuit Joannes Pritchard, Matrina Joanna Lyons. a me Josepho Wilks. Miss° Ap°
1811 Die 10° Februarii. Conjuncti sunt in Matrimonium Richardus Jones et Eleanor Lees. Testes Jno Rushton, Richd Boycott. A me Geo: Howe Miss° Ap°
1816 30° Aprilis Natus et die 2° Maii Baptizatus est Thomas Jones filius Jacobi et Elizabethae Jones (olim Lees, postea Ferrington) Conjugum. Patrinus fuit Jacobus Jones Senior, Matrina Catharina Lees. A me Geo. Howe. Missionaria Apostolico
1819 Die 3° Octobrii Natus et die 1° Novembrii Baptizatus est Georgius Jones filius Jacobi et Elizabethae Jones (olim Lees, postea Ferrington) Conjugum. Patrinus fuit Thomas Jones Matrina Hannah Jones pro quibus respondebat Anna Pendrell. A me Geo. Howe, Miss° Apostolico.
1821 Die 2° Julii 1813 Natus et paucis post diebus baptisatus est a Patre Joannes Jones filius Jacobi et Elizabethae Jones (olim Lees, postea Ferrington, Conjugum). Cetera autem Supplebantur die 2° Decembrii 1821.
That is it (I hope that I have transcribed it correctly). If only we knew what it all meant .
DS
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I is very apparent that you have gone to a great deal of work, looking for
information for me.
I was "mind-boggled" when I tried to read it all and then I decided I would print it off, look through it leisurely and hopefully get something together out of it.
I have to say this RootsChat Site has been most helpful to me.
I hope DS I hear from you again.
My kindest regards,
Doris B.
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