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Topic: Fenny Bentley lookup please for Thomas Milward (Read 307 times)
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Anjo
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Hi to all interested rootschatters 
Here is my brick wall. My 4xgreatgrandfather was Thomas Milward according to census he lived most of his life in Mappleton, Derbyshire.
He was there in 1841 age 45
He was there in 1851 age 58
He was there in 1861 age 70
He was there in 1871 age 85
He died in 1873 aged 89. According to this his death year that would make him born 1784. There is a bit of fluctuation in census ages but what was constant was that his birth place in last 3 census was Fenny Bentley.
It is conceivable that Thomas Milward married Margaret Hambleton 28 Jul 1817 in Thorpe Derbyshire. He is living with her and youngest child Thomas on the 1841 census. Margaret died in 1842 and Thomas remarried to Mary Deakin in 1844 (am awaiting the cert).
What I would like some kind soul to do for me is to find a birth/chr record for him and hopefully get his line going further back.
I have looked on nearly every site possible on the net and think my only option is to find someone willing to check the records office for me on their next visit. I know its a big ask but I am desperate and living in Ireland.
Please someone find a birth/chr for thomas Milward b. abt 1784 in Fenny Bentley.
Thanks to all for reading and hopefully trying to help me
Anjo
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GRINDEY/GRUNDEY- Stanton,Wetton and Mayfield in staffordshire. SMITH - Stanton, Ellastone, Staffordshire + Cheetham. Lancashire JONES - Ashbourne, Derbyshire. HUDSON - Snelston, Mappleton and Mayfield MILWARD- Mappleton,Thorpe, Fenny Bentley GIBBONS -Parwich. ALLCOCKS+WINT - Wetton JENNINGS +MELTON+Taylor- Docking Norfolk MACK - london and nottingham. STANFORD - Ely,Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Anjo
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Hi Jane,
Yes I've seen the entry on the igi but I think they 1780 one is a bit too soon for him even going by census dates. Unless its been transcribed wrong or there is another one later.
The IGI is very poor on records for Fenny Bentley so I am hoping he just hasn't been transcribed just yet.
He obviously was never sure of his age I am just hoping that whoever recorded his death was sure and not just guessing.
Thanks for taking an interest and your help its much appreciated
Anjo
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GRINDEY/GRUNDEY- Stanton,Wetton and Mayfield in staffordshire. SMITH - Stanton, Ellastone, Staffordshire + Cheetham. Lancashire JONES - Ashbourne, Derbyshire. HUDSON - Snelston, Mappleton and Mayfield MILWARD- Mappleton,Thorpe, Fenny Bentley GIBBONS -Parwich. ALLCOCKS+WINT - Wetton JENNINGS +MELTON+Taylor- Docking Norfolk MACK - london and nottingham. STANFORD - Ely,Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Anjo
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The records on the igi are not reliable as I have found to my cost in the past. The entry for 1793 is submitted and is guess work on behalf of the submitter. There are too many ifs and buts and the best way to get the facts is to see the actual parish records.
I would love dearly to do that for myself but its totally out of the question for the foreseeable future. There are people on here that do the odd lookup for others when they go to the records office and its too those that I am appealing to.
I do appreciate your help but until I get a proper lookup I'd be only guessing and that doesn't grow a healthy tree.
I am awaiting his death cert and hopefully one of his children recorded his death. Fingers crossed.
Thanks again
Anjo
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GRINDEY/GRUNDEY- Stanton,Wetton and Mayfield in staffordshire. SMITH - Stanton, Ellastone, Staffordshire + Cheetham. Lancashire JONES - Ashbourne, Derbyshire. HUDSON - Snelston, Mappleton and Mayfield MILWARD- Mappleton,Thorpe, Fenny Bentley GIBBONS -Parwich. ALLCOCKS+WINT - Wetton JENNINGS +MELTON+Taylor- Docking Norfolk MACK - london and nottingham. STANFORD - Ely,Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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omskirk
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I can do that on Thursday
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omskirk
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Dear Angela,
Thomas Millward of Fenney Bentley
Margaret Hambleton of Mappleton
could'nt read the Witnesses.
also found these in Fenney Bentley.
John milward M Margaret Brinsley/Brinkley 27/10/1817
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Duke Bowler (one of mine)
William Waterfall.
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Baptisms.
William Milward = William & Ann 28/10/1784
Ann Milward _ " " 26/6/1786
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John Milward = Richard & Ann 10/12/1787
Ann Milward = " " 8/11/1790
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Thomas Milward = Thomas & Martha 11/6/1780
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Anjo
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Thanks so much Omskirk.
I am extremely grateful to you for doing this for me. The marriage info is absolutely brilliant.
Shame there was no corresponding birth/chr record. My hunch is that the 1780 one isn't correct ither. But won't dismiss it just yet.
I am absolutely in your debt for doing this lookup for me. It helps sort the facts out. And eases my headache!!!
I have some Bowler's born in Parwich on my tree if any of yours are from that way.
Pm me if you want to exchange info
Thanks a million
Angela.
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GRINDEY/GRUNDEY- Stanton,Wetton and Mayfield in staffordshire. SMITH - Stanton, Ellastone, Staffordshire + Cheetham. Lancashire JONES - Ashbourne, Derbyshire. HUDSON - Snelston, Mappleton and Mayfield MILWARD- Mappleton,Thorpe, Fenny Bentley GIBBONS -Parwich. ALLCOCKS+WINT - Wetton JENNINGS +MELTON+Taylor- Docking Norfolk MACK - london and nottingham. STANFORD - Ely,Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Anjo
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Just as an update and another further question.
Have today recieved a death cert for Thomas Milward who died 1873 (the only death for a thomas Milward in Ashbourne dist between 1871 and 1881)
My only problem now is that place of death was Dove house green Ashbourne!!. (A bit strange as he lived all his life in Mappleton although its not far away) The informant was Frances Holmes with same address given!!!
When I googled dove house green it is at present a retirement home. could it have been something like that in 1873? Don't know if any bright spark can enlighten me on this one. I've googled but found nothing more yet.
What I have found out about Frances is that she was France Hawksworth and married Thomas Holmes.
Frances Hawksworth was the daughter of David Hawksworth and Sarah Hambleton. Sarah Hambleton is a likely candidate for being sister to Margaret Hambleton who was Thomas Milwards first wife!!! hope you followed that.
The Hambleton's are another of my brick walls. So Frances is likely to be a niece of Thomas's if I have them correct.
If anyone knows the history of Dove green in Ashbourne I would welcome the info.
(Thomas and Frances Holmes were living in Back lane Ashbourne in 1881 having moved from offcote and underwood)
Any further info or input on this family greatly recieved
angela
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GRINDEY/GRUNDEY- Stanton,Wetton and Mayfield in staffordshire. SMITH - Stanton, Ellastone, Staffordshire + Cheetham. Lancashire JONES - Ashbourne, Derbyshire. HUDSON - Snelston, Mappleton and Mayfield MILWARD- Mappleton,Thorpe, Fenny Bentley GIBBONS -Parwich. ALLCOCKS+WINT - Wetton JENNINGS +MELTON+Taylor- Docking Norfolk MACK - london and nottingham. STANFORD - Ely,Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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omskirk
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Did'nt they call retirement homes Sanitorians in Victorian Times, If you need one today they usually find one in your own area, as in this case, I should'nt get yourself bogged down with it
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toni*
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perhaps you could find the address in hisoricaldirectories.org
if there are no other corressponding bp/birth records for Thomas of Fenny Bentley i think you will have to take it as the one in 1780, even if you think his age is out, after all it was not uncommon to lie about your age or even to forget how old you actually were
IGI submitted records are given in good faith and yes some can be way of track but others are submitted by genuine genealogical researchers who have gone tot he records office and looked att the records or taken his age of the census or worked out possibles from marriage dates, so even if the record is submitted its worth following it up.
Workhouses were ofetn the only access to meical care working class people could get so even if your ancestor was in a workhouse don't just assume he was hard up, check the entry / discharge books for same for he could just be thee to recive medical help.
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Anjo
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No the 1780 chr is definately wrong. He is a totally different thomas and he married Elizabeth Unknown
thanks for all the other suggestions I will bear them in mind.
I'd like to have a bit more on my tree than names and dates thats why I ask so many questions
Will get digging again
Thanks ev1
Angela.
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GRINDEY/GRUNDEY- Stanton,Wetton and Mayfield in staffordshire. SMITH - Stanton, Ellastone, Staffordshire + Cheetham. Lancashire JONES - Ashbourne, Derbyshire. HUDSON - Snelston, Mappleton and Mayfield MILWARD- Mappleton,Thorpe, Fenny Bentley GIBBONS -Parwich. ALLCOCKS+WINT - Wetton JENNINGS +MELTON+Taylor- Docking Norfolk MACK - london and nottingham. STANFORD - Ely,Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Anjo
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Just recieved marriage cert for his 2nd marriage and Thomas Milwards father named as William so my hunch was right that the 1780 chr is incorrect.
I am wondering if Thomas links to the William and Ann that were having children in Fenny Bentley at this time. Perhaps he wasn't actually born in Fenny Bentley but maybe Ann's home town and chr there but moved as a baby to Fenny where his siblings were born?
More digging needed.
Interestingly David Hawksworth was a witness to marriage. He was possibly married to his first wifes sister and David was the father of Frances Holmes who was present at Thomas's death!!!
Anyone come across a chr record for thomas with father William would be a Saint !!!
Thanks for all your help so far guys
Anjo
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GRINDEY/GRUNDEY- Stanton,Wetton and Mayfield in staffordshire. SMITH - Stanton, Ellastone, Staffordshire + Cheetham. Lancashire JONES - Ashbourne, Derbyshire. HUDSON - Snelston, Mappleton and Mayfield MILWARD- Mappleton,Thorpe, Fenny Bentley GIBBONS -Parwich. ALLCOCKS+WINT - Wetton JENNINGS +MELTON+Taylor- Docking Norfolk MACK - london and nottingham. STANFORD - Ely,Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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..also regarding the death cert ..whoever supplied the info may not have known his his real age..