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Topic: Marriage John COZENS & Jane HUNT (?)Clerkenwel l 1860 COMPLETED THANKYOU (Read 393 times)
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Soureau
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Good morning,
If anyone has access to PR's of Clerkenwell St. James, I'm searching for information concerning the marriage of John COZENS & Jane (probably a widow aged approx. 56 possible by the name of HUNT.) which took place in the 4thQ 1860.
In the various Census returns from 1861 on, Jane is given as being born c 1804 in St. Neots, Huntingdonshire. However, if she was a widow it's not easy to find out her birth name. It's possible that a detail from the 1860 marriage might give a clue.
If anyone can help on this one I would be very grateful.
Many thanks,
Nick
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Bryant
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Hello Nick
The easy way would be to purchase the marriage cert £7-00
However......
They got married in 1860 and yes one would assume that Jane was a widow but although their are only 4 names on that page......the two females are both named Jane (West & Hunt) and as we don't know where HENRY ROWE BARTON is from and what his age is (the other one on the page) and he is not easily seen in 1861 it becomes difficult.
If Jane was married before one would assume that she would have been married in 1841 and at that time she would have been approx 33-37.......the 1861 states her age as 53, the 1881 as 77!
Their is a Jane Hunt aged 30 living with her husband? at Yaxley, Hunts in 1841 aged 30 (30-34=30) but one assumes that the favourite has to be......
1841
GREEN END, ST NEOTS, HUNTS
JOHN WEST 35 AG LAB YES
JANE " 35 YES
GEORGE " 15 AG LAB YES
JOHN " 15 " YES
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Find them in 1851 (not available to me)
NOW........Their are two JOHN WEST's that died at St Neots........one in 1855 and tuther in 1858 (father & son?) and their was also a GEORGE WEST (son?) that died at St Neots in 1850......and the West family as seen in 1841 do not appear to be around in 1861.
The 1881 shows
EDEN ROAD, WALTHAMSTOW, ESSEX
JOHN COZENS HEAD 77 WALTHAMSTOW, ESSEX
JANE " WIFE 77 ST NEOTS, HUNTINGDONSHIRE
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JANE appears to die aged 77 the same year (1881) but within the St Saviour R.D, London, Surrey..........and you would think that at age 77 Jane/John would not have moved voluntarilly, so have they/she moved nearer to someone so she would be looked after?
Conclusion..........I think you need a marriage cert
Bryant
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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?) Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area). Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Soureau
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Good morning,
Many thanks for your exposé which has given me a lot to work on ! I have, indeed, their marriage certificate on my list to acquire but haven't as yet gotten around to it. For sure, it's the best way to have confirmation one way or the other.
The "WEST" track seems a pretty good bet anyway from the details you have kindly shown.
As a matter of fact Jane died early in 1886 in Walthamstow, age given as 82. I have Parish Register source on this one.
Thank you for your time and trouble. It's much appreciated.
Nick
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Bryant
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Nick
I was curious as to how I missed Jane's death in 1886..........now I know!
JANE COUSINS aged 82 .... March qtr of 1886...West Ham (incl Walthamstow)
below is more evidence Jane was a West and not a Hunt.........
1871
36 LUCAS STREET, ST GEO IN THE EAST, MIDDX
HENRY R BARTON HEAD 35 ST LUKES, MIDDX
JANE " WIFE 32 HACKNEY, MIDDX
CATHERINE HUNT MOTHER 68 CARDIGAN
HUNT BROTHER 27 HACKNEY, MIDDX
HUNT BROTHER 27 HACKNEY, MIDDX
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Best of luck with the research
Bryant
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Soureau
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Good morning Bryant,
Many thanks for the extra information which seems to confirm the "WEST " route, as you say.
It's true that you find COZENS spelt in many different ways - I have at least 6 or 7 amongst my lot, depending on the PR's and census returns.
Once again, I very much appreciate your time on this one. You have very probably cleared up one essential point for me, ie the choice between HUNT and WEST.
Thank you.
Nick
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Soureau
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Good evening Dawn,
Yes, I have ordered the certificate thank you, and should have it towards the end of the coming week. At least I will be fixed one way or another very soon !
Thank you for your kind offer in any case. Much appreciated. I'll get back to you only if there is an unexpected problem.
Nick
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margaretmarion
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I was interested to read of John Cozens born Walthamstow, Essex (Posted by Soureau 17th July):
The 1881 shows
EDEN ROAD, WALTHAMSTOW, ESSEX
JOHN COZENS HEAD 77 WALTHAMSTOW, ESSEX
JANE " WIFE 77 ST NEOTS, HUNTINGDONSHIRE
My great-great-grandfather (William Henry Cozens) was bapt in Walthamstow (St, Mary) in 1799, son of Thomas & Margaret (b. Goddard) Cozens (married St. Leonards, Shoreditch, 1st March 1798). On my tree one of William's siblings is a John Cozens, bapt 17 Feb 1805, St. Mary, Walthamstow. This is probably the John referred to above. Can anyone help me with more information on this family, please.
Many thanks - Margaret
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margaretmarion
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Further to my recent message, it is interesting that my William Henry Cozens (bpt. 1799), also moved back to Walthamstow (Palmerston Road) in the 1881 census from Chelsea. Did William and John move back to be with other members of the family? William Henry died in Walthamstow in 1886.
Margaret 
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Soureau
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Good evening Margaret,
You've struck gold dust ! John Cozens was my great great grandfather, and was the younger brother of William Henry. I have a great deal of detail on the family going back several generations.
I will send you a personal message with my e-mail so that we can communicate directly. I would like to know more about your line of the family too.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Soureau
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Good morning Margaret,
I've just sent you another personal message with my e-mail address.
I've had this problem once before with someone else, but don't know why the "Spam" message comes up.
Nick
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margaretmarion
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Hello Nick - there must be a gremlin somewhere as I have sent you lots of personal emails, including one with my email address and now they are being sent back to me.
I really don't know where to go from here.
Margaret
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Margaret,
I've just sent you a message on your personal e-mail address ! It did come through OK.
Nick
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Soureau
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Message for Bryant and Dawn.
Your deduction about Jane being WEST and not HUNT has proved correct ! I've just received the Marriage Certificate which proves it.
As a matter of interest, her maiden name was HICKS, father William HICKS, Labourer.
Many thanks for your time and input, and for your look-up offer Dawn.
Nick
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