|
Pages: 1 [2]
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: family mobility - what do these places have in common? (Read 597 times)
|
|
|
rjknott
RootsChat Aristocrat
 Offline
Posts: 1345
|
Are you sure Martha died in 1851?
The 1861 census has a Martha Curtis, 80, b Manchester, lodging in Westbury next door to the Baptist minister.
There is a Martha Curtis death in Westbury in 1861.
Does the Christopher Curtis/Martha marriage in 1835 shed any light?
Richard
Added later: judging by the reference I think 1851 must be a misprint for 1861
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
|
|
|
|
|
rjknott
RootsChat Aristocrat
Offline
Posts: 1345
|
More Baptist shoemakers in Battle:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=565d077894deeb7b1104e79754047dff&topic=100022;prev_next=next
And from elsewhere:
Battle Baptist Church traces its history not to 1066 but 1776. When George Gilbert from Heathfield came and preached under an oak tree. William Vidler, a young stone mason, was converted. Along with several others he was baptised at Rye in 1780. A week later Vidler became the first pastor of Zion Particular Baptist Church which was formed with just 6 other member.
The work grew rapidly. In 1789 part of an orchard was purchased for £60 and the first chapel was built. At that time it was impossible to use the local Anglican churchyard for burials and so interments were made around the Baptist chapel, - a factor which would be of key importance 200 years later.
In 1792 a doctrinal dispute arose and William Vidler, along with 168 others, became Unitarians. The church was expelled from the Kent and Sussex Association for heresy. Vidler's flock continued to worship at the Baptist Chapel but changed its name. The 15 remaining Baptist Christians found somewhere else to worship.
Richard
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
|
|
|
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 16493
|
Just thinking that if they travelled all that way, shoemaking would be an appropriate occupation 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gadget
RootsChat Marquessate
Offline
Posts: 16493
|
Look ups offered on pre 1840 Westbury Baptisms and Burials here:
http://www.moonrakers.org.uk/lookups.asp
It might show up something for Christopher, senior
Many of my OH's other lines are in the Westbury area and this site was very helpful when I was investigating (pre-Rootschat, I hasten to add 
Gadget
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Carole A
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 135
|
Yes, the more I know, the more I realise I don't know about this family. Thanks for all the thoughts today.
I have no direct evidence of any other children, although Edward is a testator for will of another Curtis in Dilton, but I am pretty sure their fathers, at least, were different, and the will describes Edward as a friend not a relation. Infant mortality may account for the gaps.. who knows?!
I appreciate all the ideas about army, blacksmiths, non-conformists etc - will ponder some more.
Richard - sorry, yes, Martha died in 1861 not 1851. (But I hadn't spotted her neighbour - thanks for that). And I haven't looked up the parish record for the Christopher/Martha marriage in 1835 (why didn't they have different names, I get myself confused!) so am unsure if it would be informative or not.
Toni - yes, it was a bit of a generalisation about Battle! I have other rellies from Wartling, Arlington and Westham, and I was going on what they had been doing in the 19th century. (There was a strong strain of Baptists there too.)
Many thanks, all.
Carole
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Nick Carver
RootsChat Aristocrat
Offline
Posts: 1231
|
Can I suggest an oblique approach to your hunting? There are many records offices with records on-line. I and others have a brick wall in that we can get back no further than 1680 with our Carver ancestor, but as they were farmers and ran a farm owned by the local big-shot, a google of the name of the farm together with the name of the landowners shows there are records in the Norfolk Records Office that might prove informative. All that remains is to manage to visit.
Now obviously there is no direct parallel between this case and your situation, but perhaps you could think along slightly different lines to come up with something? There must be records of the baptist circuits of the time for instance
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell
|
|
|
Carole A
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 135
|
Good thinking, I was actually beginning to look up some of the Baptist history sites last night. Certainly the flavour I get of the circuits, early chapels etc was that they were very keen to document disputes, developments etc. The illustration in this thread re Battle is an example, I guess.
Think I will start off with trying to find documents related to the chapels in Dilton Marsh - there are some tantalising morsels online but not quite enough.
I guess there is always going to be a limit to being an armchair genealogist!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
Carole A
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 135
|
Proof is a tad difficult - I'd say 95% convinced of their relationship but it is all circumstantial, I don't have any documents linking any of them as relations!
In two censuses, Edward has a reported birthplace of Falmouth, and in another (as an old man) Battle. In one or two earlier censuses in Dilton he is living next door to Martha, and next door but one to Christopher - Christopher was consistently reported as born in Battle. When Martha died, the informant was a Walter Curtis, who could be Edward's son Walter. The IGI has an Edward birth in Falmouth, right year, with Christopher snr and Martha as parents. Sussex Baptismal Index has Christopher, right year, with Christopher and Martha as parents. Martha's birthplace is Manchester, in census returns. The IGI has the marriage of a Christopher and Martha in Manchester (this 1799 event is my weakest link).
It's a web that seems to get stronger every bit of info I get - but I take your point, i could be built on shaky foundations!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
Carole A
RootsChat Member
Offline
Posts: 135
|
Yes, definitely worth checking - I think as he was an old man, his son would have given his details and in a way, the inaccuracy has paid off as it links Christopher jnr into the family as well.
Another part of the circumstantial evidence is that Edward named two of his children Christopher and Martha, and I've not found a Christopher in any other family branch that I am searching, certainly not in that era.
They certainly aren't a straightforward family...
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2]
|
|
|
|
|
