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Topic: Lady Ellisha Mathew (Read 5672 times)
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ChrisPage
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Hi wyseass
Glad you have joined rootschat, I was hoping to get in contact again. We might be able to knock down some brickwalls between us.
My father always believed he was descended from Lady Elizabeth Mathew. He had three names,
Captain William FitzWilliam Mathew bn abt 1796
Robert Mathew
Thomas Mathew
three sons whos father was said to have been The Prince Regent/ George 1V.
I downloaded Lady Elizabeths will and she mentions a son Capt William FitzWiliam Mathew. He was in the Bengal Army. Also found him on Ancestry censuses 1841-1861.
Back later as I have to go out for a while
Christine
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Mathew/Mathews - Tipperary Matthews - Dublin Langron - Dublin Davies - Galway and Sligo Doyle - Dublin and Wicklow Trafford - Ireland ? Page - Balham/Wandsworth Champion - Clapham/Wandsworth Lang - Guernsey Pitcher - Guernsey Docwra - Royston Hertfordshire/Chelsea London Burgess - Chelsea and Pimlico Hession - Mayo Ireland Pateman - Litlington Cambridgeshire Norman - Clerkenwell, Islington and Fulham Census information is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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wyseass
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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The information that I have verified is:
My Father was Cecil Peel Beresford Mathews 1931-1991
Grandfather Alfred Henry (born in Antrim) 1897-1951
Greatgrandfather Marcus Beresford 1862-1947
Great-great-grandfather Frederick Albert 1827-?
Great-great-great-grandfather Rev. Robert Mathews 1798-?
It is documented in Father Theobald's biography that Lady Ellisha (who paid for his education) had promised to cover all his debts on her death - however this didn't happen had he had a terrible time trying to pay them off, as he head spent freely on the promise of his inheritance.
"This old lady, who by all accounts was at least as fit for a lunatic asylum as her brother George" (London Times 06/09/1843, left everything to Viscount de Chabot against the express wishes of her brother Francis James 2nd Earl of Llandaff (died 1833), who had left the estate to her. She died 14/12/1841 in her house in Molesworth Street, Dublin.
The family over the years changed their religion to suit the times and to hold onto their title and estates, as was the way in Ireland in those days.
It is good to have found you again Christine.
I just can't seem to fine a link between Robert and Elisha (Elizabeth).
I hope somebody can help.
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Mathews, Ballymena, Co. Antrim
Mathew, Thomastown, Co. Tipperary
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ChrisPage
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wyseass
Here is my verified family names incase you come across any information on them.
My father was Edward Matthews 1918-1991
Grandfather George Humphreys Matthews 1882-abt 1962
Gt Grandfather William Henry Dundas Matthews bn abt early 1840s
Gt Gt Grandfather John Matthews
John Matthews was living in Garville Avenue in 1864 when my Gt Grandfather William married in Donnybrook Church.
Christine
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Mathew/Mathews - Tipperary Matthews - Dublin Langron - Dublin Davies - Galway and Sligo Doyle - Dublin and Wicklow Trafford - Ireland ? Page - Balham/Wandsworth Champion - Clapham/Wandsworth Lang - Guernsey Pitcher - Guernsey Docwra - Royston Hertfordshire/Chelsea London Burgess - Chelsea and Pimlico Hession - Mayo Ireland Pateman - Litlington Cambridgeshire Norman - Clerkenwell, Islington and Fulham Census information is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ChrisPage
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Hi Heywood
Yes Lady Elizabeth and the Viscount Chabot were 1st cousins. There mothers were sisters.
Lady Elizabeths mother was Ellisha/Ellis Smyth but i do not know her sisters first name.
Lots of conflicting info found on Theobald Mathews so not sure if he was a cousin or not.
Wyseass
I found an article about George 1Vs daughter having a birthday party and Lady Elizabeths name was on the list.
Christine
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Mathew/Mathews - Tipperary Matthews - Dublin Langron - Dublin Davies - Galway and Sligo Doyle - Dublin and Wicklow Trafford - Ireland ? Page - Balham/Wandsworth Champion - Clapham/Wandsworth Lang - Guernsey Pitcher - Guernsey Docwra - Royston Hertfordshire/Chelsea London Burgess - Chelsea and Pimlico Hession - Mayo Ireland Pateman - Litlington Cambridgeshire Norman - Clerkenwell, Islington and Fulham Census information is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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ChrisPage
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Aghadowey
I found the information when i had a free trial for the Gale Digital collections.
The date was 30th August 1864. Couple getting married were definitely my Gt Grandparents.
It said John Matthews Esq of Garville Avenue.
My Grandfather George's birth certificate gives 30 Garville Avenue as his place of birth and Williams dwelling place.
Would the marriage certificate give me much more information.
Christine
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aghadowey
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Marriage certificate will list name of bride and groom, marital status, whether or not of full age, their occupations, residences at time of marriage, names and occupations of their fathers, names of two witnesses, name of informant, place and date of marriage.
Will not list birthdate, birthplaces, mothers' names, addresses of informants.
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rymer
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Hi wyseass
The Mathew title became extinct on the death of Francis (second earl) in 1833 and his brothers George and Montaqu - all died childless. Their sisters lived on in Tipperary and one of them inherited the estate, which is now a stud. My cousin Elisha and I are decent but there is no title - not now.
The Chabot/Mathews line is decent from Arnold Nesbit (soi-distant Earls of Llandaff) but Arnold is not decent from Elisha. You will find the link in http://everything2.com/node/1938560. Good luck.
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wyseass
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The Mathew title became extinct on the death of Francis (second earl) in 1833 and his brothers George and Montaqu - all died childless. Their sisters lived on in Tipperary and one of them inherited the estate, which is now a stud.
According to my records The 2nd Earl (Franicis) had an illegitimate son called Thomas James by his girlfriend Anne West in London. He was married to Gertrude LaTouche, from a famous Dublin banking family.
Who were the sisters? The only sister (daughter) at this time was Lady Elizabeth (Ellisha) and she was the one who inherited the estate, and then ignored her Irish relations by leaving it to Chabot.
Therre were a few estates owned in the Thurles area by different branches of the family. Although the stud farm in Golden is a part of the original estate, I think it went down a different branch of the family stemming from the illegitimate son (James) of the first Earl. He would have been Father Theobald's father, so Theobald and his siblings were then legitimate.
(http://www.users.qwest.net/~butchmatt/Mathewhtml/notes.html)
Thanks for your help.
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Mathews, Ballymena, Co. Antrim
Mathew, Thomastown, Co. Tipperary
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nerys-wales
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Mathew (not Mathews), Thomastown Castle, Tipperary - is extinct. Wades own the land and it's a stud farm. Also, I think you may be confusing Ellisha with Elisabeth. Nerys
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