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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 12 August 09 10:32 UTC (UK) »

From Brian McDonnell,
T.C.D.is  Trinity College Dublin, My Mother was Mary Humphrys Mathews.
She is pictured sitting on Annies knee in the Mathews family Photograph
taken in Grafton Street ,Dublin.


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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 12 August 09 15:57 UTC (UK) »

Grin How nice to hear from you.  I have found you on the family tree my late uncle gave to me, and am delighted that you got in touch.
The whole crux of it is to discover finally who were Rev. Robert Mathews parents, as this has never been done with proof.
I am also now trying to find a connection between the Mathews and Beresford's, as the use of the name 'Marcus Beresford' by Frederick Mathews for his son has intrigued me.  There must be a reason to use another family's names.  I just need to find it, so any info. on that would be much appreciated.
Marcus Mathews (Banker in Northern Bank), was joint manager of Henry Street, Dublin.  Promoted to manager of Grafton St in 1904 and then further promoted to Secretary of the Northern Bank in 1927, when he moved back to Belfast.  This info. is got from "Irish Times" archives, which I can access at the library.
I can't tell you how thrilled I am to hear from you, and I'm sure ChrisPage will agree.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #62 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 19:41 UTC (UK) »

The ring looks like it has something to do with the masonic order.  I really don't think it is a family crest.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 20:20 UTC (UK) »

Just had a quick look on the web and this crest seems to be used in the middle temple where barristers are in London, it was originally used by the the Knights Templar in the crusader years.  My husband's father had the crest when he became a barrister in the middle temple at the inn of law, and he remembers his father taking him there and showing it to him.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 21:23 UTC (UK) »

Dear Wyseass,
I attach a pic. of the silver salver passed-on to me by my Mother.
The pic. is the best I can do, with a difficult subject.
The origin of the salver is cloudy, I was told that it represented the family crest of Mathews.
The links to Lady Ellisha Mathew,are at best--Tenuous.
I have attempted to contact Ballymena Academy to establish a link with Marcus B. Mathews's Father & Grandfather.
Any facts that I may obtain will be passed-on.
                               Many thanks for the contact,
                                      Brian McDonnell.


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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 21:30 UTC (UK) »

Sorry can't seem to be able to see the picture, I am obviously doing something stupid.  Do you know of any reason for the family to use the name Marcus or Beresford?  I can't seem to find any link apart from the fact that Beresford was the Archbishop at that time and the family were very prominent in Ireland.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #66 on: Thursday 27 August 09 22:37 UTC (UK) »

I stumbled upon this fascinating discussion by chance but hope I can add a little to it.  With reference to the Wade family, my mother is a sister to James and Josie (the last survivor of that generation) and was raised in what was then the lodge house to the Castle.  It remains the family farm to this day and is run by one of my cousins.  My Uncle James was father to Tommy Wade and his numerous siblings.  As a child I visited the famous showjumper "Dundrum" on a number of occasions and Tommy Wade did indeed win a lot of competitions in Europe and the UK.  I also visited the Castle a number of times as a child and clearly remember the gardens which were elegant even then (the 1960s and 70s).  I have a lot of happy memories of the area and remember Thomastown well although it is a lot bigger these days.  In terms of other names that have been mentioned, my grandmother (James' mother) was a "Breen" and related to Dan Breen, the man credited with leading the first armed act of the Irish Uprising.  For a time he was one of the most wanted men in Ireland.  I have a lot more blather about the families that lived in Thomastown if anyone is interested.  Life is strange as my mother now lives near Hickstead after she moved to England.  She married my father who owned the farm across the road from the lodge house to the Castle but they left Ireland not long after.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #67 on: Friday 28 August 09 11:01 UTC (UK) »

I can see the photo now, thanks.
"Vincula Temno" - "I despise bonds" - an odd phrase and apart from it being the family motto for the Sinclair family seems to have something to do with archery?  No idea what.
I still think it is all to do with masonry.   But not being a mason I have no idea.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #68 on: Friday 28 August 09 13:08 UTC (UK) »

Dear Wyseass,
The same symbol appears on the Mathews Signet rings.
I had one & my Brother,Rodney, had one also.
There could be a connection also, to Masonry, Marcus B. Senior was quite high-up in Irish
Masonry.Exactly what position I dont know.
My Mother was in possession of her Father's regalia,Sword etc. What happened to it all, I dont know,my Brother & I were not allowed to play with the bits & pieces,for obvious reasons!.
                                                         OK,
                                                   Brian McDonnell.
PS. I have just remembered---my signet ring  actually belonged to Marcus B. Senior,my Brothers was a copy.
PPS. My wife & I also have a few pieces of Mathews Silver----Teapot,Cream jug,sugar bowl & cutlery----all with that Symbol engraved
on them,passed-on by Mother.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #69 on: Monday 31 August 09 14:15 UTC (UK) »

I am a Mathew of Llandaff origin now in Australia tracing some history great to read you discovery trail. No history of such emblems in this part of the family we are part of the remaining remnant from Wales.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #70 on: Monday 31 August 09 15:12 UTC (UK) »

Tref; Please excuse me for popping in.  I am a descendant of a John Mathis born before 1690 in Merthyr Tydfil, Wales.  John changed his name from Mathews to Mathis when he came to The United States.  This is where my info hits a dead end.  If you have any information on this man and his parents/family, I would be forever grateful. 

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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #71 on: Monday 31 August 09 22:31 UTC (UK) »

If it isn't anything to do with the masons, do you think it might be something ito do with the "orange order", because the fily seem to have been involved in that in their day?
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #72 on: Monday 31 August 09 22:40 UTC (UK) »

This was posted in reply to my question about Robert Mathews in genforum by Nick Reddan -
"Alumni Dublenses has:
Robert MATTHEWS son of John, musicus, born Co. Tipperary, matriculated 1812 aged 15. BA 1817 MA 1820".

It could be him!  Who knows? 
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #73 on: Monday 31 August 09 22:47 UTC (UK) »


I attach a pic. of the silver salver passed-on to me by my Mother.


This reminds me of the Agnus Dei symbol
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/symbols/agnus_dei.htm

Dara.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #74 on: Tuesday 01 September 09 10:57 UTC (UK) »

Moderator:  Thank you for that information.  I am, as you can tell, new to this . I do believe this makes my third post! Cheesy
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