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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 23:29 UTC (UK) »

Further info on Mathew of Thomastown. Ellisha mentioned by rymer is Ellisha Spencer, possible named for Ellisha Mathew who married into the Wade family now owners of Thomastown castle stud. Elisabeth and Ellisha were cousins.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 16 December 08 23:31 UTC (UK) »

You are right she was also known as Elizabeth.  The house (Thomastown Castle)is a wonderful ivy clad ruin.  I have some photos of it from last year.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 11:19 UTC (UK) »

The information that I have verified is:
My Father was Cecil Peel Beresford Mathews 1931-1991
Grandfather Alfred Henry (born in Antrim) 1897-1951
Greatgrandfather Marcus Beresford 1862-1947
Great-great-grandfather Frederick Albert 1827-?
Great-great-great-grandfather Rev. Robert Mathews 1798-?

I just can't seem to fine a link between Robert and Elisha (Elizabeth).

This is my first post so please be kind Smiley

It looks as you and I are very much related, since your Grandfather (Alfred Henry Mathews a.k.a. 'Alty') and my Grandfather (Reginald Russell Mathews 1902-1966) were brothers !

I am stuck at the same position as you with good old Ellisha but I do have a photograph of an oil painting of the Rev. Robert (known as 'Blinking Bobby') and his wife.  As a child I did actually see these 2 portraits in the flesh but they were 'disposed of' after Reginald died - shock horror !

I also have information about Marcus Beresford Mathews (1862-1947) who was a Banker in Dublin, because a living relative of mine (in his 90's) used to live with him for a while in Dublin.

I have in my possession a silver salver given to Marcus when he left the bank - with a family crest and inscription on it.

If yo are interested in more details please make contact.

Happy New Year to all.

Cheers -- Chris
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 12:40 UTC (UK) »

 Grin How nice to hear from you.  I have found you on the family tree my late uncle gave to me, and am delighted that you got in touch.
The whole crux of it is to discover finally who were Rev. Robert Mathews parents, as this has never been done with proof.
I am also now trying to find a connection between the Mathews and Beresford's, as the use of the name 'Marcus Beresford' by Frederick Mathews for his son has intrigued me.  There must be a reason to use another family's names.  I just need to find it, so any info. on that would be much appreciated.
Marcus Mathews (Banker in Northern Bank), was joint manager of Henry Street, Dublin.  Promoted to manager of Grafton St in 1904 and then further promoted to Secretary of the Northern Bank in 1927, when he moved back to Belfast.  This info. is got from "Irish Times" archives, which I can access at the library.
I can't tell you how thrilled I am to hear from you, and I'm sure ChrisPage will agree.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 31 December 08 14:50 UTC (UK) »

Welcome to rootschat chris. Good to see someone else researching Lady Ellisha.
I am also trying to find a family connection to one of her sons Thomas or Robert or William fitzwilliam.
I have got back as far as my GG Grandfather John Matthews bn abt 1820s, and have found my connections all in Dublin so far.
Look forward to seeing any information you can post on here as I am still not sure which of Ellishas sons I may be related to.
Would be interested in seeing the photo of the Rev Robert if possible.

wyseass lucky you finding a new relation.

Happy new year.

Christine
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Langron - Dublin
Davies - Galway and Sligo
Doyle - Dublin and Wicklow
Trafford - Ireland ?

Page - Balham/Wandsworth
Champion - Clapham/Wandsworth
Lang - Guernsey
Pitcher - Guernsey

Docwra - Royston Hertfordshire/Chelsea London
Burgess - Chelsea and Pimlico
Hession - Mayo Ireland
Pateman - Litlington Cambridgeshire
Norman - Clerkenwell, Islington and Fulham

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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 01 January 09 13:10 UTC (UK) »

If anyone is interested I have a summarised copy of 'Genealogy Of The Earls Of Landaff' specific to Ellisha's lineage (and beyond).  I have the original huge old faded negative the document was produced from, I think this is as a result of some research a distant relative commissioned while in Dublin.  It says on it

Printed by J. T. DROUGHT, 6 Bachelor's Walk, Dublin

Unfortunately it has no further details about Ellisha's sons though Sad

I have found you on the family tree my late uncle gave to me, and am delighted that you got in touch.

Can I ask if the uncle who's family tree you are working from was 'Marcus Girling' ?

If so then we are working from a tree originating from the same source.

Would be interested in seeing the photo of the Rev Robert if possible.

I will dig out the photos and scan them.  Do you want me to post them to this discussion ?

Cheers -- Chris
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 01 January 09 14:43 UTC (UK) »

The family tree I have was given to me by my Aunt Betty and was done by Marcus Girling.  My Uncle Ronnie did some work on it and a cousin (his granddaughter) has all his papers, one of which is Rev. Robert Mathews ordination papers, I have asked her for a copy, but haven't received one yet and will ask again.
Seemingly there is a portrait of Rev. Mathews at Ballymena Academy, and Uncle Ronnie saw it there.  It would be lovely to see a photo of him and his wife. 
Robert Mathews must have come from somewhere?   
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 01 January 09 21:01 UTC (UK) »

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If anyone is interested I have a summarised copy of 'Genealogy Of The Earls Of Landaff' specific to Ellisha's lineage (and beyond).  I have the original huge old faded negative the document was produced from, I think this is as a result of some research a distant relative commissioned while in Dublin.

I am most interested in this. It might be exactly what my father had a copy of. Unfortunatley it was lost along with a family tree when my brothers house had a bad fire. I was told my great grandfather had it done in Dublin.

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I will dig out the photos and scan them.  Do you want me to post them to this discussion ?

If you could post photos that would be great, if not would you be able to email them.

Christine






 
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Matthews - Dublin
Langron - Dublin
Davies - Galway and Sligo
Doyle - Dublin and Wicklow
Trafford - Ireland ?

Page - Balham/Wandsworth
Champion - Clapham/Wandsworth
Lang - Guernsey
Pitcher - Guernsey

Docwra - Royston Hertfordshire/Chelsea London
Burgess - Chelsea and Pimlico
Hession - Mayo Ireland
Pateman - Litlington Cambridgeshire
Norman - Clerkenwell, Islington and Fulham

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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 03 January 09 18:39 UTC (UK) »

I have scanned the copy of GENEALOGY OF THE EARLS OF LANDAFF

Attached is part 1 of 3


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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 03 January 09 18:40 UTC (UK) »

I have scanned the copy of GENEALOGY OF THE EARLS OF LANDAFF

Attached is part 2 of 3


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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 03 January 09 18:46 UTC (UK) »

I have scanned the copy of GENEALOGY OF THE EARLS OF LANDAFF

Attached is part 3 of 3


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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 03 January 09 20:29 UTC (UK) »

I am probably going over areas you lot have already been through, but I dug this photo out while at my Mum's yesterday from some of my late Father's notes about Frederick Albert Mathews (1827 ?)  The back of the photo sas it was originally produced by a photographic studio in Ballymena.

It is something to do with the 18th degree of Free Masonry (Knight of Eagle and Pelican) so not sure if this is another area of investigation.

Also, I saw some posts made by you two in response to to another forum from Valerie Mathew about a 'James Mathew'

http://www.jenforum.com/matthews/messages/5434.html

and have now paid my £3.50 and downloaded Lady Ellisha's (Elizabeth's) will.  It is hard going but just about readable.  Sad I know but I found it quite exciting to find something concrete about Lady Ellisha Smiley  Has anyone managed to produce a full transcript ?

And finally there are three protraits of Lady Elisha's mother (Elisha nee Smyth/Smith - wife of Francis Mathew)

http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp11438

Enjoy.

Cheers -- Chris


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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 03 January 09 23:01 UTC (UK) »

Just thought you would both like to know (if you don't already) the Irish Census 1911 now covers Antrim, Down, Dublin and Kerry.
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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 04 January 09 23:35 UTC (UK) »

Chris, thanks for posting the scans. I have saved them for printing.
It is the same as my father owned, my aunt will be pleased to know I have a copy now as she was sad to hear it had been burned in the fire.

I tried to read the will, it was hard to do. Captain William Fitzwilliam Mathew is mentioned. Captain in the Bengal army.
He is on the England census in London married to Jane Emily Kennedy and had a daughter Gertrude Emily born abt 1843 London. Died 1962.
Could not see a mention of Thomas or Robert.

Thank for link to portaits of Ellisha Smyth.

Christine





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Doyle - Dublin and Wicklow
Trafford - Ireland ?

Page - Balham/Wandsworth
Champion - Clapham/Wandsworth
Lang - Guernsey
Pitcher - Guernsey

Docwra - Royston Hertfordshire/Chelsea London
Burgess - Chelsea and Pimlico
Hession - Mayo Ireland
Pateman - Litlington Cambridgeshire
Norman - Clerkenwell, Islington and Fulham

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Re: Lady Ellisha Mathew
« Reply #29 on: Monday 05 January 09 00:51 UTC (UK) »

Has anybody seen this before:  http://everything2.com/e2node/Earl%2520of%2520Landaff.  I emailed a bit to cmathews, but thought it better to send the link.
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