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Mum44
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1871 census
Edward W Edwards aged 21, living in Cound, Salop, working as blacksmiths assistant. Worked for blacksmith Humphrey Roberts.
1861 census: RG9. P. 2165 Fol. 85 Pg. 19
23 Branston Street, Birmingham
EDWARDS
Richard Head M 39 Tailor B. Shrewsbury
Sarah Wife M 38 B. Shrewsbury
Sarah Dau Un 18 Steel Pan Maker B. Shrewsbury
Edward W Son 10 Brass Dresser B. Dovenedge, Staffs
Mary E Dau 8 B. Birmingham
Eleanor Dau 5 B. Birmingham
Martha A Dau 2 B. Birmingham
Samuel R Son 1 month B. Birmingham(this is probably the visitor in 1891, aged 30 ?)
1851 census: HO107. P. 2023 Fol. 24. Pg. 40
Pool Street, Walsall Foreign
EDWARDS
Richard Head M 29 Tailor B. Shrewsbury
Sarah Wife M 28 B. Shrewsbury
Sarah Dau 8 B. Shrewsbury
Richard Morgan Son 6 B. Shrewsbury
Edward William Son 1 B. Walsall
and the bonus ball
1841 census : HO107 P. 927/13 Fol. 38 Pg. 19
Church Street, St Mary's Shrewsbury
EDWARDS
Edward 55 Shoemaker
Sarah 44
Richard 20 Tailors apprentice
Elizabeth 15
Thomas 25 Painter & Glazier
Catherine 20
On the IGI : Richard Edwards b. 7 July 1821 Baptised 26 Aug 1821 St Marys, Shrewsbury. Parent Edward Edwards and Sarah.
Other children baptised St. Mary's that time, Parents Edward and Sarah:
Thomas 1814; Martha 1817; Edward 1819; William 1820; John 1824; Elizabeth 1826.
So now you have George's father = Edward W Edwards; George's grandfather = Richard Edwards; George's Great grandfather = Edward Edwards
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush.
Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham.
Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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DEBBIEWEBBY
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WOW! You truly are amazing! 
Thank you so very very much!
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Here's the full entry for the household of Sarah Ann THOMAS in 1871 which I mentioned earlier:
1871 census
RG10/2745/60/17
Hallow, Worfield, Shropshire
Martha Thomas Head W 60 Household work Shropshire Nean
William do Son Unm 34 Ag lab Shropshire Worfield
Henry do Son Unm 21 Ag lab Shropshire Worfield
Sarah A do Daur Unm 16 Domestic servant (out of employ) Shropshire Worfield
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Mum44
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Found another problem ..... 1881 census - Martha Age 2 Born Longton 1901 census - Martha Age 12 Born Manchester Is it possible the first one died and they had another child and named her after the first?  Possible - I'll take another look and come back.......
Well, this is based only on the index, and certificates would be needed to prove, but
Martha Edwards B 1879 died Q2. 1781 Stoke on Trent District
Martha Edwards born Q2. 1889 Manchester
So yes, it's possible that's what happened - quite common to re-use the name.
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush.
Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham.
Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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I'll say it again, you're amazing!
The details for the Martha you just gave me, I assume that's Sarahs mum?
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Yes, I can do Sarah and her THOMAS line.
Just before I do that - on the subject of little Martha Edwards...
the Jun 1889 Manchester birth may not be hers, as there's a matching death in the same quarter (Death: Martha EDWARDS aged 0, Jun 1889 Manchester 8d 319).
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Mum44
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I'll say it again, you're amazing!
The details for the Martha you just gave me, I assume that's Sarahs mum?
No - that's George's sister - but as Anna says - the Manchester birth may not be the one!
Added: there's a Martha b. Q2. 1890 Manchester - the 1891 says she's two, but maybe she was registered late, or they put 2 anyway ?
The re-using of the name was probably because Sarah's mother was Martha - I have a family in my tree who named 4 successive sons John after the grandfather as each one died very young 
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Names: Titchfield, Hampshire: Reed, Fielder, Cawte.
Kent: Float, Cutbush.
Wallasey, Cheshire: Carroll, Ledsham.
Liverpool : Horsfall, Prescott
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God your fast!
lol
I'm still trying to write all the information down and get my head round it!
It's actually the Edwards line I'm trying to trace back as my partner refuses to accept the fact that Edwards is a Welsh name.
Keep telling him he's Welsh stock cos he's short and stocky!
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1861 census
RG9/1851/123/22
Hallow, Worfield, Shropshire
Samuel Thomas Head Mar 64 Ag lab Salop Heton (?)
Martha do Wife Mar 52 Housewife Salop Nensolliar [prob. shd be Neen Sollars]
William do Son Un 24 Ag lab Salop Worfield
George do Son Un 19 Ag lab Salop Worfield
Henry do Son 11 Scholar Salop Worfield
Sarah A. do Daur 6 Scholar Salop Worfield
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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God your fast! lol I'm still trying to write all the information down and get my head round it! It's actually the Edwards line I'm trying to trace back as my partner refuses to accept the fact that Edwards is a Welsh name. Keep telling him he's Welsh stock cos he's short and stocky!
Thomas is a Welsh surname too! But if you're not interested in the Thomas line I will stop (?)
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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God no, I find it amazing!
I'm tempted to give you the maternal side of his family to trace as been as you're enjoying it so much!
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1861 census
RG9/1851/123/22
Hallow, Worfield, ShropshireSamuel Thomas Head Mar 64 Ag lab Salop Heton (?) Martha do Wife Mar 52 Housewife Salop Nensolliar [prob. shd be Neen Sollars] William do Son Un 24 Ag lab Salop Worfield George do Son Un 19 Ag lab Salop Worfield Henry do Son 11 Scholar Salop Worfield Sarah A. do Daur 6 Scholar Salop WorfieldAnna
I have to say that I am a little suspicious of whether Sarah Ann was really a daughter of this couple given Martha's age (though she's only 60 rather than 62 in the 1871 census). Sometimes grandchildren, especially if illegitimate, were brought up by their grandparents as though they were children of the family. Pure speculation at the moment, though.
The IGI at www.familysearch.org has the following baptisms of children of Samuel and Martha THOMAS (NB as you may be aware the IGI is far from complete). These are all extracted from parish records:
Jane THOMAS 24 Dec 1829 Neen Savage, Shropshire
Willm. THOMAS abt 20 Sep 1835 Worfield, Shropshire
George THOMAS b 13 Oct 1840 bap 27 Dec 1840 Worfield, Shropshire
Ellen THOMAS b 27 Jun 1843 bap 30 Jul 1843 Worfield, Shropshire
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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Marriage (also from IGI, extracted):
Samuel THOMAS
Martha BOWEN
19 Jul 1829 Neen Savage, Shropshire
(today is their 179th wedding anniversary  )
Anna
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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)
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