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Chris 12
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Please help, this side of my family has been really well covered up and was kept from me for a long time.
I am looking for the marriage of Edith E (previously unofficially Wrenn up to 1920s, Penfold from 1916 and previously Buxton from birth) who having married a Mr Jennings, died in Dec Quarter 1956:
Edith E Jennings 72 Croydon 5g p88 on 18/12/1956 in Mayday Hospital.
When was her marriage - it was in London I think as Mr Jennings was a Londoner. They married PROBABLY between 1930-1950.
I don't know his first name, but if you could find the death of a Mr Jennings who died between 1954 and 1960 in Croydon or Wandsworth it might help in your search as this is when he died I think. I think his name was Albert/Alfred.
I have the death certificate, she died in Mayday hospital and Edith's daughter registered it.
As Edith had children from a Mr Wrenn (but did not marry him as he stayed married to a different woman), there are four surnames she went by in her life - I wouldn't be surprised to find a fifth! e.g.
Marriages Mar 1925
Penfold Edith E Barclay Brentford 3a 239
Did an Edith E Barclay marry a Jennings?? or is there another marriage for an Edith E Penfold anyone can find after 1923.
any answers?
Chris
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Church, Chambers, Wrenn, Buxton, Tucker, Dobbs, Cordell, Jolley, Mayes, Salmon, Small, Acome & Johnson of Herts, Debenham, Churchman, Syer, Crowe, Huggins, Gayler, Barnes, Lock, Found, Small, Bavin, Catlin, Holly, Sansom, Pitkin, Rix, Mason, Gooch
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CaroleW
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Hi Chris
It's not very clear from your post as to what was her birth surname or what her middle name was - just shown as Edith E.
If she was born in 1884 as her age at death suggests, she could have first married anytime from 1902 when spouses names were not shown alongside entries.
You would need to know her first husbands name for cross checking purposes
Have you had a look on freebmd although the later periods involved are unlikely to be covered
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
The type of search you are asking for could be complicated and lengthy so you need to search the full GRO index yourself which is available at your nearest main library if you live in the UK. It can also be searched online if you have an Ancestry subscription or at www.findmypast.com which is a paysite
I think you will find there are a great many "Mr Jennings" deaths between 1954-1960
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Edith E Jennings 72 Croydon 5g p88 on 18/12/1956 in Mayday Hospital.
I don't know his first name, but if you could find the death of a Mr Jennings who died between 1954 and 1960 in Croydon or Wandsworth it might help in your search as this is when he died I think.
I have the death certificate, she died in Mayday hospital and Edith's daughter registered it.
Chris
Chris let me get this straight,Edith died in Dec 1956- wife of Mr Jennings?
Doens't her death cert say 'wife' of xxx Jennings- or widow of...?
That would narrow down the date of his death of course. 
I am inclined to agree with Carole that there will be just far too many Jennings's over 6 years to pinpoint the right one.Even narrowing it to Wandsworth or Croydon districts.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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This request is also on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,304494.msg1861545.html#msg1861545
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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Chris
I have just trawled through all the marriages from 1925- 1956 and cannot see one for an Edith Wrenn to anybody called Jennings.
Is it possible that she met or married him abroad?
In which case it won't show on the England and Wales GRO indexes.
And of course there's always the possibility that she didn't marry him at all but just became known as Mrs Jennings if they lived together?
Maybe the person registering her death didn't know that for sure?
I've asked a moderator to merge the two threads you have going on this Jennings chap,to avoid someone else doing the same look ups.
Regards
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Chris 12
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The library tip is the best reply yet, I'll go and have a look for Jennings deaths to narrow down a marriage search under that name. I have looked through the GRO under the name Edith Wrenn in the library but have not found anythingm perhaps she married in another name. I don't know the husband's name but the death certificate does not show if she was still married as her daughter registered it.
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Church, Chambers, Wrenn, Buxton, Tucker, Dobbs, Cordell, Jolley, Mayes, Salmon, Small, Acome & Johnson of Herts, Debenham, Churchman, Syer, Crowe, Huggins, Gayler, Barnes, Lock, Found, Small, Bavin, Catlin, Holly, Sansom, Pitkin, Rix, Mason, Gooch
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carol8353
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Chris,
Is there absolutely NOTHING entered in the occupation column of Ediths death cert?
This is from the website giving some very useful info about BMD certs.
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/deaths.htm#COL8
"For a wife or widow - her occupation was considered to be being married to her husband! So there will not be any reference to her paid employment (and a vast number of women did work) but it will say wife (or widow) of .............(husbands name) ...........(his occupation) ."
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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jennifer c
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Hi, The two children who were born 1920 & 1923, are shown on the index twice. Once with the surname Wrenn and also with the surname Penfold, both show mother as Buxton and both set of entries have the the ref.numbers?
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jennifer c
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Hi, Edith Buxton married William Penfold Sept qtr 1902 Maidenhead ref 2c932
Could Wrenn have been an also known as. Both children registered as both names. It would be interesting to know what it says on their birth certificates?
Did William Penfold leave a will?
Jennifer
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Chris 12
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Yes after searching 1900-1920 at the FRC I found a William Penford marrying Edith Annie Buxton from St Pancras, who was born many years before (does not tie up with her death certificate) - I think the Edward Penfold marriage to Edith Penfold shown in June 1916 is it, as it is south london . The children's birth certificates say Penfold formerly Buxton as the mother's name. What she was known after 1923 and before marrying again is puzzling (Wren(n) or Penfold or Buxton), but definitely still Edith. Their father is named, Edwin Wrenn and his occupation, but he was definitely married til his death to another woman (i have met his other children)
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Church, Chambers, Wrenn, Buxton, Tucker, Dobbs, Cordell, Jolley, Mayes, Salmon, Small, Acome & Johnson of Herts, Debenham, Churchman, Syer, Crowe, Huggins, Gayler, Barnes, Lock, Found, Small, Bavin, Catlin, Holly, Sansom, Pitkin, Rix, Mason, Gooch
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jennifer c
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Hi,
Why were the children registered with the name Wrenn. I have never known anybody registered twice with different names but same reference number. I think I would contact the registrar general when in 1920 she should still have been a PENFOLD?
This query could just give you the answers you are looking for?
Has anybody else ever heard of this?
Jennifer
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carol8353
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Could it be that the dad's surname was Wrenn,but legally mum was still a Penfold? They registered them in his name as that was the one the kids would be known as?
Could it be that 1st hubby was missing in WW1 and so she wasn't free to marry till 7 years had lapsed(that happened to a friend of mine's grandma-in the meantime she had 3 kids with her new man,while she waited for the 7 years to be able to marry again  )
I'm still trying to work out why she would be Edith Penfold and marrying someone called Edward Penfold,when we haven't found her marrying anyone as Edith Buxton yet have we?
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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