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Lynn S
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Hi All
One of the very frustrating brick walls in my husbands tree has had me stumped for the last 3 years, so I am looking for inspiration on how to progress.
I have the birth cert for my husbands grandmother this shows.
Kate born 1/4/1866 at Workhouse Clerkenwell
No father but mother Catherine Brown
In space for signature description & residence
x mark of Catherine Brown mother 5 Dobyers or Dobneys Court Clerkenwell.
Was Clerkenwell used as a lying in hospital? or had Catherine been sent to the workhouse. I haven't been able to find anything to help with Catherine. On the marriage cert for Kate in 1887 she has conveniently got a father who is deceased named William but she marries in Nottingham!!!
Does anyone know if I would be able to see Clerkenwell Workhouse records if any still exist. Hoping someone may be able to suggest a way forward.
Thanks Lynn
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jennifer c
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Hi have checked the 1861 census for 5 Dobneys Court Penton Street 195/23
Familiy living there:- Thomas Young and family
Jennifer
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Lynn S
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Hi Jennifer
Thanks for info have traced the family you mention & also found them in 1871 but no sign of Catherine Brown or Kate.
Lynn
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Valda
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How have you connected Kate Skelton nee Brown with deceased father William (occupation ?) in 1887 in Nottingham, with Kate Brown born Clerkenwell workhouse to mother Catherine Brown? On the 1891 and 1901 censuses Kate states her birthplace as London circa 1867/8 depending on where her birthday was in the year (if she was being precise considering her husband was younger than she was). She may of course been christened Catherine/Katherine but preferred to be known as Kate once she left home.
This seems the likeliest candidate on the 1881 census.
1881 census RG11 3353 folio 42
30 Milton St Robin Hood & Little John Public House Nottingham St Mary, Nottinghamshire
Kate Brown 15 Servant (Domestic) Bayswater, Middlesex
If this is the same woman then Bayswater is in the Paddington area not near Clerkenwell.
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What occupation does Kate give for her father William on her marriage? If she was illegitimate as you think the information will of course be dubious.
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Valda
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Lynn S
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Hi Valda
Thanks for your reply. The Kate Brown you found in 1881 as a servant in a pub is the right one. She married Richard Skelton as I said in Nottingham & her fathers supposed occupation was framework knitter. I know that this was an occupation followed by northern people but not common I think down south. Kate died 6/01/1954 aged 87 so this ties in well with the birth of 1/4/1866. I decided to send for that particular birth cert after looking at free bmd & thinking that was the best choice.
I have never been able to find either Kate or her mother on 1871 census. There does seem to be one or two possibilities but none seem to match enough to think I have found the right one.
That is why I have been wondering if Clerkenwell workhouse records exist & if they might give me any clues. As we live up north I need to do some checking before I decide whether to plan a trip south.
Any ideas you may have would be welcome.
Lynn
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Valda
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Paddington would register in Kensington registration district in the 1860s. There is this birth registration
Births Mar 1867
Brown Kate Kensington 1a 192
with 6 weeks to register a birth, the birth could have taken place at the end of 1866. However there is this subsequent death registration which might very well be the same child, though the age is not quite right and people were moving around London districts all the time.
Deaths Sep 1871
Brown Kate 5 Kensington 1a 155
There are two Clerkenwell birth registrations in 1866
Births Jun 1866
BROWN Kate Clerkenwell 1b 575
Births Dec 1866
Brown Kate Clerkenwell 1b 633
Not all births were registered. It was a legal requirement to register births but there was no punishment for not doing so until 1875 and of course your 'Kate' could have had her birth registered as Catherine or Katherine and been known as such while she was living at home.
Deaths of course are not registered by the person themselves and ages may not be exact, particularly when the person like Kate was when she died, advancing in age.
Clerkenwell workhouse
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Clerkenwell/Clerkenwell.shtml
'Islington Local History Centre, 245 St John Street London EC1V 4NB. Holdings for Clerkenwell: Settlement Examinations (1777-1851); Food Books (1859-69); Vagrants Admitted (1858-66); Indoor Relief (1852-69); Admissions and Discharges (1847-71); Medical Relief (1851-69).'
Many illegitmate babies, if they survived childhood, did not necessarily grow up in their birth mother's maiden name, but often acquired the surname of their subsequent father or stepfathers, when and if their mother's later married or as shown in families in that surname on censuses, but when they leave home on subsequent censuses are shown in their 'legal' birth surname. Legal in the sense you can be known in any name you wish to be known in. Children born illegitimately remained illegitimate even if their parents subsequently married. Not until 1927 did the law change to allow subsequent marriages to legitimise children born before them.
All of this means the birth registration you have for Kate Brown in Clerkenwell workhouse is a candidate, a possibility, but in no way a proven candidate, especially since the one census you have Kate on giving a more exact place of birth, she gives Bayswater.
Regards
Valda
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Lynn S
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Hi Valda
You have given me food for thought, thanks once again for your input.
Without having any definite knowledge about Kates birth date I know I'm going to struggle with her. My husband does remember visiting his grandparents but says Kate was very stern & he was not allowed to move from the chair when his mum took him visiting!!
Regards Lynn
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