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Topic: Can you read what this Debys town is called... (Read 3805 times)
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Shirles
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Hi List
Can anyone decipher what this town in Derbyshire would be. Comparing the rest of the census handwriting it looks as if the first letter is an 'S'.
Greatly appreciate any help.
Best wishes
Shirley
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My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773
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willow154
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Hi Shirley,
Could be Smalley or Smisby, but I'm not convinced.
Have you looked to see what the birthplace is on an earlier or later census, Shirley?
Good luck,
Paulene 
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Shirles
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Hi Paulene
I should have said this is taken from an 1851 Census and as you know the 1841 wont tell me where she was born and then she died in 1855 in Hanley Street, Birmingham so no help there.
I'm pretty sure we have looked at those towns and as there doesn't appear to be a 'y' discounted them.
Thank you for your suggestions though.
Best wishes
Shirley
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My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773
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willow154
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Hi Shirley,
That's a shame.
Did wonder if it was a y with a faint tail at the end.
Will have a look on the wirksworth site and get back if there are any clues on there.
Paulene
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Shirles
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Hi Paulene
Excuse my ignorance what is the 'wirksworth' site please?
Best
Shirley
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My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773
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willow154
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Pleasure, Shirley.
The site is a fantastic site for anyone researching Derbyshire (my dad's home county):
www.wirksworth.org.uk.
Enjoy!
Not having much luck so far, sadly 
Paulene
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willow154
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Sorry, Shirley - can't find anything remotely like it on place-names search, or list of places on 1841 census search.
Are you able to tell what name you're looking for and approx. age - might be able to find a baptism; that's if you haven't found one already.
Paulene
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Shirles
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Hi Paulene
On her death certificate she is age 90 in 1855, so born abt 1765. Elizabeth Frost was her married name and she married John Frost. First child I have found John was born in 1807 and then in 1811 a daughter Mary Frost. This is very late to be having children, but not unheard of and it was possibly a second marriage.
Unfortunately I have no resources at all for Derbyshire, so if I could find the village/town she was born I could send for a Parish Register or micro fiche as I have a reader.
Thank you for helping.
Best wishes
Shirley
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My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773
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willow154
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Hi Shirley,
Tried finding John and Elizabeth's marriage - nothing, except one in 1799 on the BMDregisters.co.uk site - but you need to pay to view.
Only baptims for a John and Mary are at Doveridge, and can't find a place beginning with S near there.
There's a burial on the www.findmypast.com site (National Burial Index) for a Mary Frost in 1805, Derbyshire - might be one of their children who died, but there again it's a pay to view site.
Looked at wills, registers, administrations, etc on the wirksworth site, but nothing as yet, Shirley.
Sorry! Not an easy one, is it.
May try again later, but need to get on with some other things at the moment, as I have my sister coming tomorrow - good luck in the meantime.
Best wishes,
Paulene
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Shirles
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Thank you very much for your help Paulene.
I will have a look at those sites and see what turns up.
Best wishes
Shirley
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My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773
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willow154
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Shirley,
Thought I'd better catch you while you're still online.
Could you please let me have the census details for 1841 and 1851 for Elizabeth, please?
Will need these for when I come back to it later, for last shot at it.
Thanks.
Paulene
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Shirles
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Hi Paulene
I've just been going through the places in Derbyshire again and if Elizabeth, who perhaps was not literate, said to the Census Taker, she was from Shirland, Derbyshire, might you spell it Sureland? What do you think?
There are lots of Frosts in Derbyshire aren't there?
I have the 1841 census of Elizabeth's son John Frost [1807] who married Sarah Dale. H0107/1141/13. I think the family next door are connected.
I have the 1851 Census of John and Sarah with Elizabeth living with them age 81 ~ H0107/2058 I found this under John Trost. It has just stroke me that Elizabeth's death certification in 1855 puts her age as 90 so there is a 4 year age discrepancy.
I am still looking for John Frost Senior and Elizabeth in 1841.
My son and daughter in law are coming shortly but I will keep popping back and forth.
Good luck
Shirley
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My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773
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willow154
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Hi Shirley,
Still struggling, I'm afraid.
All the census infomation on John Frost jnr seems to say he was born in Warwickshire - but can't find evidence for that.
Can't find John and Elizabeth's marriage either.
Wondered if the birthplace of the servant (Ashbourne, Derbyshire) on the 1851 census is a clue?
Paulene
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Shirles
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Hi Paulene
How silly I am I looked at the servant and thought her surname was Hatton, I have looked again and it is Maria Walters ~ the informant on Elizabeth's death certificate, but also her daughter Mary Walters married Thomas Frost, son of John Frost [1807] who married Sarah Dale. Maria's
maiden name was Hardy born Ashbourne, Derbyshire and she married John Walters, don't know when. Mary, their daughter was born in 1826 in St Peter's., Wolverhampton.
Some more pieces for the jigsaw puzzle ..........
Many thanks Paulene
Shirley
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My research interests are as follows:
TROW, Jane Elizabeth,(nee Evans) died 1864 in Dorrington, Condover
TROW Jane, Kerry, Montgomeryshire abt 1777 GARDINER Edward, Shropshire, abt 1764
TUDOR Martha, Kerry, Montg abt 1762
JONES Richard, Llangedwin, Debighshire 1794
UNKNOWN Anne, Shrewsbury? Shropshire abt 1794
STALEY James, Lydbury North, Shrops abt 1772
CORNS Margaret, Lydbury North, Shrops 1769
MILLS Joseph, Golon, Llanbister, Radnorshire
CORFIELD John, St Chads, Shrews 1773
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willow154
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Hi again shirley,
Confusing lot aren't they!
Do you know when John's wife, Sarah, died?
Paulene
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