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algy
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I am looking for the name of the parents of Thomas Brawn living in the Warrington area, he married Margaret Smith around March 1899 if someone could check the 1891 & 1881 census for me I would be very grateful. I do know that Brawn is not a common name in the area.
Thank's, Algy
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mosiefish
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Hi Algy,
The only reference I can find to a Thomas Brawn in Warrington is one whos Pension records are on a well know site. He signed up in Feb. 1891 at Warrington but was born in Sheffield. He was in the 20th Hussars. The 1891 census finds him at Aldershot aged 18. He was discharged in 1898 but recalled in 1899. He was in South Africa when the 1901 census was taken so he won`t appear on that either. Name and address of next of kin was Father Joseph then Brothers Joseph, James, Martin, Samuel? address Milton Street, Motherwell, Lanark. and written underneath is Anthony (Royal Artillary Older)
On his Reserve papers it lists that he lived at 74 Dallam Lane, Warrington and that his Wife was Margaret and he had two children Annie and Margaret who lived at 3 Orford Fold, Orford, Warrington.
I will have a look for him on the 1881 census.
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Mo
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Cas (stallc)
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This looks like 1901 for his wife...
RG13 Piece 3580 Folio 80 Page 32
70 Dallam Lane, Warrington
All b Warrington, Lancashire
Margaret Smith 59 head, wid
Patrick Smith 26 son, lab in iron works (puddler)
Margaret Brown 29 dau, marr
Margaret Brown 1 grandau
Births Mar 1900 Brawn Margaret Warrington 8c 256
Looks like quite a few births for this couple Warrington area, up to 1913
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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Marriage cert would confirm fathers' name
1891 - RG12 Piece 3076 Folio 112 Page 14
1 Chapel Yard, Warrington (before & after is Dallam Lane)
Michael Smith 54 head, gas lab, Ireland NK (NK = not known)
Margaret Smith 54 wife Ireland NK
Thomas Smith 22 son, brewer, Warrington
Margaret Smith 19 dau, factory hand, Warrington
Patrick Smith 16 son, forge hand, Warrington
1881 RG11 Piece 3792 Folio 20 Page 34
4 Furness St, Warrington
Smith family on link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03wn/
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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algy
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Mo & Cas , thanks for the quick response, wonderful information and rings true, Mo if you do get a chance to search the 1881 census I would really appreciate it.
Thanks to both of you.
Regards Algy.
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Hi Algy,
Struggling to find the family in the 1881 census. However the following is the 1871 census which looks like it could be the right family (minus Thomas).
271 Bright Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield
Jos Brawn, Head M, 37, Puddler in Iron Works, Staffordshire Tipton
Mary A, Wife, M, 33, Staffordshire Wednesfield
James E, Son, 13, Staffordshire Willishall
Mark Antony, Son, 9, Staffordshire Gornall
Martin Jeffrey, Son, 7, Lancashire WARRINGTON
Joseph, Son, 2, Staffordshire Wolverhampton
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Mo
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Found a possible link...don't have full trans only index...
1891 - parish of Dalziel - ED 7 Line 4
94 Milton St, , Lanarkshire, Scotland
Anthony Brawn 42 boarder b England
Mark Brawn 17 boarder b England
Mary A Brawn 11 boarder b England
Annie Ceath 43
Henry Hickman 48
Lois Hickman 44
Jessie Parkes 8
John Parkes 6
Mary Parkes 10
Also James Brawn, with wife Sarah same area...both b England
42 Globe Buildings
James Brawn 32
Sarah Brawn 31
Ann E Brawn 3 Dalziel, Lanarkshire
James Brawn 2 Dalziel, Lanarkshire
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Dalziel/index.html
possible - Births Jun 1874 BRAWN Mark Antony J Sheffield 9c 525
Possible - Births Sep 1880 BRAWN Mary Alice Sheffield 9c 570
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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Cas & Mo, thanks again great information that has helped me tremendously.
Thanks, Algy
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Hi Algy/Mo...think the family mo found is prob the correct prior to birth of Thomas.
Hi Algy,
Struggling to find the family in the 1881 census. However the following is the 1871 census which looks like it could be the right family (minus Thomas).
271 Bright Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall, Sheffield
Jos Brawn, Head M, 37, Puddler in Iron Works, Staffordshire Tipton
Mary A, Wife, M, 33, Staffordshire Wednesfield
James E, Son, 13, Staffordshire Willishall
Mark Antony, Son, 9, Staffordshire Gornall
Martin Jeffrey, Son, 7, Lancashire WARRINGTON
Joseph, Son, 2, Staffordshire Wolverhampton
Regards,
Mo
Births Sep 1872 Brawn Tom Sheffield 9c 500
1881 - Both Anthony (1891 Scotland) and brother Martin, (family above on census link), including father James are here. Which if I am correct would make them uncle/cousin to your Thomas.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03x0/ (view 1881 original image for all family)
Think 2 maybe more brothers, or maybe Joseph was son of James? who originate from Staffs have named children same names. Which is confusing. There is a marriage for Mark Anthony b 1849 to Elizabeth Green 1874, also an additional dau, Martha Ann
Extracted IGI - Parents James & Martha
James Brawn - Christening: 13 OCT 1839 St Martin'S, Tipton, Stafford
Martin Jeffery Brawn - Christening: 13 OCT 1839 St Martin'S, Tipton, Stafford
Mark Anthony Brawn - Christening: 20 MAY 1849 St Martin'S, Tipton
James Brawn - Christening: 17 NOV 1844 St Martin'S, Tipton, Stafford
John Brawn - Christening: 22 AUG 1852 St Martin'S, Tipton, Stafford
There is also a service record 1885 (dies 1886) for Mark Anthony Brawn b 1862 Royal Artillery, (Oldham) which would fit with family Mo found. Difficult to read, but looks like next of kin is uncle Mark Brawn, this could mean that Joseph died, and Thomas listed all his kin, not just contact kin?
Will see if I can find any more, when time. Thought if we tried to sort the families out it would become clearer. Hope this has not confused you or mo...
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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Cas, thanks, not too confusing althoughther are a lot of names to plough through.
Cheers, Algy.
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Looks like Joseph (father of Thomas, was son of James & Martha)
1841 - HO107 Piece 982 Book 8
Tipton, Staffs
Reg dist: Dudley
Image is Brawn for all, all b in county
James Bracon 30 boat builder?
Martha Bracon 30
Joseph Bracon 6
Martin Brawn 1
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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1851 - HO107 Piece 2026 Folio 250 Page 14
Harvills Hawthorn, West Bromwich, Staffs
Reg dist: West Bromwich
All Brawn. All b Tipton, Staffs, unless stated
James Brown 40 head, ? carpenter
Martha Brown 40 wife, Godspell ? Staff
Joseph Brown 16 son, puddler at iron works
Martin Godfrey Brown 12 shearer
Marsha Martha Brown 10 dau
James Brown 6 son
Mack Antony Brown 2 son, Golds Green, Staff
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?STS,SO950920,5,Tipton
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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1861 - RG9 Piece 2001 Folio 80 Page 4
Willenhall, Staff
Reg dist: Wolverhampton
James Brawn 50 head, forge carpenter, Tipton
Martha Brawn 50 wife Sedgley ? staff
Moses Crofts 26 son in law bricklayer, Tipton
Martha Crofts 19 dau, marr, Tipton
Martin Jeffory Brawn 21 son, Iron puddler, Tipton
James Brawn 16 son, forge carpenter, Tipton
Mark Antony Brawn 12 son, West Bromwich, Staff
John Brawn 8 son, West Bromwich
James Edwin Brawn 1 grand son, Willenhall, Staff (this is the firstborn of Joseph.... bro to Thomas)
Births Dec 1859 BRAWN James Edward Wolverhampton 6b 451
Possible marriage going from 1871 census
Marriages Dec 1857
Brawn Joseph W Bromwich 6b 921
Chadwick Jesse W. Bromwich 6b 921
Knowles Mary W. Bromwich 6b 921
Mason Mary Ann W Bromwich 6b 921
Southern Mary Maria W. Bromwich 6b 921
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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Having trouble locating Joseph & Mary in 1861...
1871 - RG10 Piece 2946 Folio 51 Page 38
Willenhall, Staffordshire
Reg dist: Wolverhampton
James Brawn 60 head, mill wright Tipton, Staffordshire
Martha Brawn 60 wife, Gospel Oak
John Brawn 18 son, mill wright, West Bromwich
1881 - for Mark Anthony, Martin J, and father James with their families, link in prev post.
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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop Bray - Cornwall Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs Baggot, Flynn -Ireland |
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Hi,
1881 census at last:
44 Catherine Street, Warrington
Jane Davies, Head, Wid, 63, Pudler in Iron Works  , London
George, Son, 26, Ditto, Wrexham Wales
JOSEPH BROWN, Lodger, Wid, 54, No Occ, Tipton Staffordshire
Tom Brown, Son, 7, Scholar, Sheffield
Sam Brown, Lodger, 5, Scholar, Sheffield
Thomas Francis, Lodger, Mar, 39, Pudler in Iron Works, Shropshire.
Regards,
Mo
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