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'Adult' Baptisms
« on: Wednesday 23 July 08 15:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi All!

My gx6 grandfather was born in a rural village in Kent, England  around 1718.
He was baptised in 1760 in church in Milstead as an 'adult' and he died one month later.

Was it unusual to be baptised late in life in those days?Huh I always understood that religion formed a major part in folks' lives and everyone would regularly attend church and, presumably, be baptised as an infant.

I am looking for any help, observations or comments on the subject from you learned people please??

thank you
Tony
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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 15:42 UTC (UK) »

In the "Book of Common Prayer" there is a specific section for "The Ministration of Baptism to such as are of Riper Years, and able to Answer for Themselves", so it was not uncommon.
See http://www.eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/baptism/riper.html
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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 15:54 UTC (UK) »

As he died shortly afterwards he was also making sure that he would be buried in consecrated gound.  Smiley
Before 1880 no body could be buried in consecrated ground except with the service of the Church, which the incumbent of the parish or a person authorized by him was bound to perform; but the canons and prayer-book refused the use of the office for excommunicated persons,  for some grievous and notorious crime, and no person able to testify of his repentance, unbaptised persons, and persons against whom a verdict of felo de se had been found. 


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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 16:00 UTC (UK) »

The first Baptist Church in England was founded in 1612.  Anyone who belonged to the Baptist Denomination would not have been baptised as a child.  Even in the times when attendance at the local Anglican Church was almost compulsory, marriage was the main ceremony which took place in the Anglican Church as it established settlement.  Non-conformists would in those days attend the Anglican Church in the morning and their own meeting at some other time of the day.

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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 17:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Tony,

You can find another topicson Adult Baptism in the
RootsChat Reference Library => Lexicon (click here)

(Tip: click on the category "Baptisms"- on the right - for related topics)


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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 17:52 UTC (UK) »

It could have been a Hypothetical baptism (Ch. of Eng.), baptism administered to persons in respect to whom it is doubtful whether they have or have not been baptized before.

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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 22:07 UTC (UK) »

Many of my family were baptists, my 7g grandfather was recognised as a dissenting worshiper and registered his house for meetings in 1708.  As baptists they practiced adult baptism which was not registered and would not appear in parish records.  This has made it hard to track some of them down.  Some non conformist chapels did keep their own records of births and deaths although it was purely voluntary.  Before 1837 I believe it was illegal to marry in anything other than a C of E church. 

oleoneplace It sounds as if your grandfather's baptism was recorded in the parish records which would probably exclude him being a baptist.
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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 July 08 14:30 UTC (UK) »

I've been working my way through some non-conformist registers from Darwen in Lancashire.  In the late 1700s/early 1800s it seems to have been fairly common for whole families to be baptised at once, parents and children.

Interestingly, some I've found being baptised in more than one church/chapel, so presumably they went round the various chapels to see which they liked best (or whose sermons they disliked least!), and the vicars (or whatever the non-conformist equivalents are called) persuaded them that they needed to be baptised into his denomination, whether or not they'd already been baptised.

I think William Woodruff's Road to Nab End describes how in the late 19th/early 20th centuries, his family swapped denominations a number of times - even between CofE and RC.
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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 July 08 14:48 UTC (UK) »

Most churches recognise each other's baptisms which is one of the reasons for the CofE hypothetical baptism which is use when it is not certain whther a baptism has been properly carried out.

An exception seems to be the Roman Catholics who insist on doing it again.

Some baptist churches also do not recognise a child baptism at all and so will carry out an adult baptism.

This doesn't of course mean that some families won't be "done" more than once

Going back to the original subject.  My parents were Baptists at the time of my birth.  The result was that I was baptised as an adult but not in a Baptist Church.

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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 July 08 15:18 UTC (UK) »

Roman Catholics don't/should not insist on "doing it again" if a valid baptism has been performed before.

However, if there is any doubt as to whether a person was (validly) baptised there is a special form of wording used and the baptism is usually noted as "conditional" (or "sub con.") in the register.

This may happen if someone cannot remember whether they were ever baptised (but possibly/probably was) or if a child has been baptised by the parents in an emergency at home but it would not normally apply if the baptism were done by someone trained in catechesis say, who would be expected to know and use the correct form, maybe a nun or a teacher and should not apply in the case of someone with a baptism from another church.
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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #10 on: Friday 25 July 08 07:49 UTC (UK) »

Many thanks to all of you.
I now feel much more informed on the subject.

What a wonderful site Rootschat is.......so full of helpful and knowledgeable people. Perhaps the world isn't so bad after all!

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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 July 08 15:27 UTC (UK) »

My dad was baptised shortly before he and Mum were married. He was taken/sent to the Baptist Chapel by his Granny as a child so I don't think he was baptised. (Or else in 1939 the C of E vicar didn't accept Non-C baptisms!)
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 July 08 18:41 UTC (UK) »

At the risk of starting a religious debate which is the last thing I want, I feel I need to point out the main difference between conformist church child baptism and baptism within non conformist churches.

The baptism of a child in a conformist church is to receive the child into the membership of the church.  Later as an adult the individual may, if they so wish, confirm their belief and faith in God and participate in a confirmation service.

Adult baptism in a non conformist, and particularly in a baptist church, is an outward expression and statement of the individuals personal belief and faith in God and is carried out at the individuals request.  It is modeled on the baptism of Christ himself. 

The 'recognition' of baptism between one faith and another is less to do with the act its self and more with the faith and belief of the individual.  Baptism in the Baptist church is based on an individuals decision and therefore they generally do not 'recocognise' the baptism of a babe in arms carried out in a conformist church.  Conversely as the baptism in a Baptist church is based on a decision the C of E may choose to 'recognise' it in the same context as a confirmation although I personally know of some Baptists who were baptised in the Baptist church who subsequently joined the Co of E and were confirmed.
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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 July 08 21:52 UTC (UK) »

This is the present policy of the Church of England. If you are a Christian from another denomination and feel drawn towards joining the Church of England, the way this is done will depend partly on your present denomination. If you have been baptised, and confirmed by a bishop, in another denomination then, after a period of preparation, you will be received into the Church of England, probably by a bishop during a confirmation service. If you have not been confirmed, or even baptised, then you will be prepared for this along with other candidates.

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Re: 'Adult' Baptisms
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 29 July 08 11:01 UTC (UK) »

  Tony   I have just come across your Adult Baptisms.

       My late wife had to be baptised before we could Marry. Her father would not have her baptised, as he was disappointed that being the 1st born, she was a girl.

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