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henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« on: Wednesday 23 July 08 21:10 BST (UK) »
do you have on your tree a charles Henry smith who married Ada Andrewws in St Andrews church East Hagbourne berkshire 1889 if you have would you have details of the Henry charles smith... who from his marriage was always Charles its on childrens birth cert also his death cert 1929  they both came to Reading 1889 he is a cattle dealer and lived at various address in the Gt Knollys st area were the cattle market was. they had 5 children
charles 1901  Ada who became a Fennel.. Nellie who became a Davies...
Mabel who became a Randall and Jack who was my father.
just have never been able to find were Charles smith lived prior to his marriage. unfortunatly only the wording East Hagbourne on there marriage cert.
clues to follow or you have details will be very much appreciated
Ann nee Smith
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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 21:49 BST (UK) »
What's on the marriage certificate?
Names, ages, occupations, fathers' names, and witnesses will all be a help.

edit: I see the groom's age is in the heading, this is him when he married?

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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 21:57 BST (UK) »
Hi,
he is in 1901 census:

1901 RG13; Piece: 1147; Folio: 60; Page: 15

41 Knollys Street Reading

Chas H Smith 38 yrs cattle dealer b Reading
Ada 33 yrs b Didcot
Charles 8 yrs b Reading
Nellie 5 yrs b Reading
Ada 15 months b Reading

but it is difficult to pinpoint him in earlier censuses as you say Ann. You say they both came to Reading in 1889  Huh
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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 22:05 BST (UK) »
got them in 1891- this one says born 1868 Bristol  Roll Eyes

1891 RG12; Piece: 992; Folio 70; Page 25

8 Chatham Crt Reading

H C Smith 23 yrs cattle dealer b Bristol
Ada 22 yrs b Berkshire Hagbourne

in view of difference in age - it's back to the certificate I think- father's name may help- witnesses too sometimes
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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 22:09 BST (UK) »
East Hagbourne comes  under Wallingford (Berkshire) but freebmd isn't throwing up a marriage.   (it may not be in)

yes it is - married as Henry Charles.
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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 July 08 23:23 BST (UK) »
If you do not have it already

1881 RG11/1294/64/6
High st, Wallingford St Peter
Joseph ANDREWS, head mar 49, Gardener & Beerseller, born Blewbury, Berkshire
Helena ANDREWS, wife mar 38, ditto's wife, born Benson, Oxford
Ada ANDREWS, dau unm 13, Scholar, born Hagbourne, Berkshire
Wellington ANDREWS, son unm 11, Scholar, born ditto
Hannah Norma ANDREWS, dau 1, born ditto
Charles MAYWELL, visitor unm 20, Engineer seaman (River steamboat), born Gloucester

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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 July 08 12:46 BST (UK) »
thankyou.. but all the imformation you have given me I already had.and yes he married as Henry charles smith (legal name) from then on was always charles H smith its just were did he live or work possible in the area prior to his marriage jan 1889. I have been to the St Andrews church to look at bans but only reads East Hagbourne I have checked all the census that prehaps he was living with one of Ada Andrews family nothink there. his fathers name charles smith labourer ?
it will be someone like you all that just has that bit of imformation that will direct me.unfortunatly I started doing my fathers side when my Aunts etc had passed on. one person I though would have some imformatio my cousin Laurie Fennell but on visiting him wasnt no help! although he think he did,  afraid prehaps I was after an inheritence.
I think I will have a go at going down one of my Aunts family might get some clues there.
keep looking for me
Ann nee Smith
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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 July 08 13:46 BST (UK) »

  Ann i have been searching my PRs for your Charles, what about this one as age of marriage

  and birth fits? Hagbourne is not far away. Smiley Smiley

From Newnham Murron PRs ( on Wallingford cd from OFHS )
  Baptism
14 Oct 1866 Charles Henry Smith, Place London, son of Barnet and Elizabeth.

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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 July 08 13:51 BST (UK) »
Quote from: ann1939 on Thursday 24 July 08 12:46 BST (UK)
his fathers name charles smith labourer ?


Are you sure about this name?  The question mark suggests uncertainty.
Have you only looked at the banns?   If you get the marriage certificate, it will give the father's name (if there is one).
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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 24 July 08 17:16 BST (UK) »
yes I have the marriage certificate  and Banns gives no address for either.. just East Hagbourne. the witnesses were willie mills and Edith Mills this surname being on Adas side was her mothers maiden name. charles was 23 batchelor a dealer. Ada was 20 spinster. father to charles was charles smith and Ada father was Joseph Andrews carpenter.both signed in there own hand. charles  died 1929 age 69 a
cattle dealer so his age on marriage cert and death certificate differs to what is correct by 6yrs.I have seen the actual marriage certificate and clearly says age 23 I was hopping 23 might have been 28 no such luck.
I have been able to follow him from approx 1889 to 1929 just cant get that link to know were he was before he got married?Huh
thankyou all for your help, always just that pinch of info and I would sail away. its out there somewere/
Ann nee smith
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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 July 08 17:39 BST (UK) »

  Not given up yet Smiley Smiley

There is a tree on a------y that says Henry Charles Smith b 1866 Bristol, It doesnt give parents

names im afraid but does give Ada Ellen Andrews as his wife. It goes back with Adas family.

May be worth looking into Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Re: henry charles or charles henry smith age 23 east hagbourne berkshire prior 1889
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 July 08 20:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue  its probably my daughters tree on Ancestry..I have a tree there as well. I have come to the conclusion many times that my grandfather never knew were he was born or his age. and nor did anyone else. thanks so much for the imfo .over the past 20 years I keep picking him up hopeing somethink will link to him but after another fruitless time,I usualy go to other parts of the family. thought my mother would have been hard with a maiden name OWEN from Wales but she came from a  family line of Ministers and the likes.
sincerely
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