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Topic: Lookup for Frances Lowe (Read 288 times)
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smith_and_jones
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HI BGB
Unfortunately not the same Francis, mine 1st married William Cutts, then Henry Butler.
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smith_and_jones
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Hi Valda
Apologies for being dumb, do you mean the census pages when you refer to the actual Radford registers on http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT/Radford/index.html
Could I get a lookup for Henry Butler b 1824 in Old Radford, Henry is the son of John and I think Elizabeth, it's her surname I'm after.
Thanks in advance
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Valda
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Radford registers means - parish registers.
Censuses are obviously different documents entirely and I refer to them as censuses. I don't confuse the two (hopefully) in my wording. I would not use the term registers for the census enumerators' books which were copies made of the individual household schedules which were then destroyed.
In my last message what I says still stands.
'The first child of John and Elizabeth baptised in Radford showing on the IGI is Sydney
SIDNEY BUTLER
Christening: 09 AUG 1829 Radford, Nottingham
Father: JOHN BUTLER
Mother: ELIZABETH
It might be worth checking the actual Radford registers.'
The IGI claims coverage of Radford parish registers for baptisms and marriages 1813-1836. This would be Radford parish church - St Peter, whose registers begin in 1563. There is only one Radford parish. However the source for the IGI is Radford Bishops Transcripts.
Bishop's transcripts for Radford, 1602-1836 Church of England. Parish Church of Radford (Nottinghamshire)
This is the yearly copy of the register, made and sent to the Bishop. That is why I said it might be worth checking the actual registers themselves at the record office or another index taken directly from the parish register itself. Nottinghamshire Family History Society hold comprehensive indexes of both baptisms and marriages for St Peters.
http://www.nottsfhs.org.uk/
Even if Henry Butler's baptism circa 1824 is contained in the Radford baptism register and missed by the IGI (index) - because for instance, no return was sent to the Bishop that year, all it would contain would be the same information as for Sidney's baptism plus (for both) their father's occupation and possibly a more precise address. It would not have their mother's maiden name.
Henry's baptism even if in Radford, doesn't necessarily mean his parents married in Radford. Henry was not the first known child, he probably had an older brother James, as indicated by the 1841 census (aged between 20 and 24). Since Elizabeth was 57 on the 1851 census and John 60 it would be perfectly possible for them to have married in 1815 if they had waited for Elizabeth to reach the age of 21, and earlier if they had not, so James may not have been their first child if his age was nearer 20 on the 1841 census.
Elizabeth gives her birthplace as Radford on the censuses but as a young unmarried woman she may very well have been working away from home as a servant and may not have married in Radford. Again because the Nottinghamshire Family History Society have a more comprehensive marriage index it might well be worth checking to see what potential John Butler/Elizabeth marriages took place in Nottinghamshire. Since you know approximately when and where Elizabeth was born it would be possible to check the Radford Parish registers for any possible Elizabeth baptisms with those surnames.
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Valda
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Dizzifish
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Hello
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Going with the information that Valda has given and her good advice, I have looked at the NFHS index for you and deducting the wrong timescales and places, this is what we have;
Baptisms at Lenton parents John & Elizabeth Butler
JAMES 14th August 1820, fathers occupation Collier
HENRY 7th March 1824, fathers occupation Collier
JOHN 5th October 1826, fathers occupation Collier
Baptisms at Radford St Peter - parents John & Elizabeth Butler
HARRIETT 30th March 1823, fathers occupation Collier, abode Radford.
SIDNEY 9th August 1829, fathers occupation Collier, abode Radford.
THOMAS 11th March 1832, fathers occupation Collier, abode Radford.
WALTER 22nd November 1834, fathers occupation Collier, abode Radford.
HARRIET 5th April 1836, fathers occupation Collier, abode Radford.
Not all parishes have been transcribed by Nottinghamshire family history society and the index is only a finding aid but hopefully some of the names may help to determine you have the correct family.
The marriage for John Butler and Elizabeth at Radford is not mentioned in the index so seems they didnt marry there but as Valda has said Elizabeth could very well have been working away from home.
There is this marriage at Woolaton which I reckon is about two and a half miles from Radford, I looked on Phillimore marriage index to see if it has any other information but unfortunately it only covers the years 1576 to 1812, it will be helpful to see the marriage details in the hope it gives where John is from.
Marriage at Woolaton
John Butler & Elizabeth MARSDEN 2nd October 1815
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Sheila
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Straw,Notts
Davenport,Notts.
Granger,Packington Leics.
Baxter, Ashby de la Zouch.
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Valda
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8th May 1823 St Peter Radford
Burial
Harriot Butler 9 weeks
Nothing showing for John.
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Valda
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Dizzifish
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A few other burials etc which may help
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Burials at Radford St Peter
Walter Butler, 26th November 1834 aged 1month, abode Radford
John Butler, 28th September 1836 - aged 10, abode Radford.
Sidney Butler, 23rd September 1855 aged 26, abode Radford.
This is possibly John
John Butler, 5th August 1866, aged 75, abode Radford
1851 census = HO107/2129/399/7, Radford
John Butler Head, aged 60, Collyer, born Bilborough
Elizabeth Butler, wife, aged 57
Sydney Butler, son, aged 21
Thomas Butler, son, aged 19
Harriett Butler, dau, aged 15 ---- all born Radford
1861 - RG9/2449/74/5 Radford
John Butler, Head, aged 70,retired coal miner, born Bilborough
Elizabeth Butler, wife, aged 68, born Radford
Harriett Butler, dau, un, aged 25, born Radford.
There is a burial at Radford for an Elizabeth aged 79, 27th Dec 1871
The only Elizabeth I can see in the 1871 census that is anything close, is for an Elizabeth Butler, widow, born in Radford about 1783 in the Nottingham union workhouse. - RG10/3519/69/9
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Sheila.
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smith_and_jones
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Hi Valda and Dizzifish
Thanks so much for the explanation, as you may have guessed this is all quite new to me. I appreciate the time you guys put in.
I will now digest all the wonderful info received.
Thanks again
Cheers
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