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timaussie
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I am trying to find the birth/baptisms in Northiam, East Sussex for the following children of Elizabeth Tree (nee Ashdown]:
Charles - about 1806
Griffess - about 1808
Edward - about 1812
There maybe others.
If anyone has access to the Parish records Iwould appreciated a check.
Thanks,Tim
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Eyesee
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The IGI at www.familysearch.org has one of the baptisms, but they appear to be submitted entries so should be treated with caution. Also some others.
William 12 Jan 1794
David 22 May 1796
Mary 10 Nov 1799
James 27 Nov 1803
Charles 2 Mar 1806
There is an Edward 7 Apr 1811, but no parents listed
If you can get to a LDS Family history Centre you can order and view a microfilm of the Northiam parish registers. They are available on two films which cover the PRs from 1558-1901.
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timaussie
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Well I got the LDS film of the Northiam parish register. It confirmed the baptims to William and Elizabeth TREE for William(1794), David, Mary, James and Charles(1806). [Edward was a base child of Maria Tree, so not connected].
There was no other baptisms unfortunately to confirm my Griffess Tree who was supposedly born 3Sept1808, Northiam was part of this family.
There was one Tree burial to 1812, a William Tree (40)-11Jul1812 - The Father?
and a marriage of a Elizabeth Tree(widow) to Richard Hicks 20Jun1813 - The Mother remarried?
There was a marriage of Charles Tree to Eliza Lawrence on 29Jan1829 and a witness appears to be a Griffess Tree. So maybe my Griffess is connected to this family. But there no record of any of the other bros/sisters.
So were do I go from here as I have hit a roadblock? Any suggestions?.
I have not found William & Elizabeth TREE or Richard and Elizabeth HICKS in census records but maybe someone is better able to track them down.
IGI for baptims of Griffess Tree in 1808 was unsuccessfull. Any other suggestions how to track him down.?
Griffess Tree reappears in the records with marriage in Rye on 1Jul1833 and baptism of first two children in Rye, Sussex soon after before leaving England for Australia. His occupation was shoemaker.
Any further thoughts would be appreciated.
Tim
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timaussie
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Hi Nellesayshi,
There maybe a connection but I can"t find any records to support it.
The Northiam parish records do not have a Daniel Tree baptised to William & Elizabeth Tree around 1802 (or any time) although these two have other children from 1794 to 1806 as mentioned earlier.
FYI
Looking back over my notes, the Northiam parish records do indicate the following only Daniel Tree baptised:
Children of William & Martha Tree:
14 Mar 1780 - Elizabeth, burial 20 Mar 1780
29 Dec 1782 - Henry
5 Dec 1784 - Maria & Elizabeth twins
4 Jun 1786 - Thomas
8 Jun 1788 - Jane
30 May 1790 - Delcia
3 Feb 1793 - Martha
8 May 1796 - William
18 Nov 1798 - Daniel [Could his be your Daniel? Are you sure of 1802?]
There was also the following possibly related burial:
28 Jun 1799 Martha wife of William aged 40
There was no married record for William/Martha.
Hope this may help in your quest.
Tim
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judt
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Hi Aussietim
I also have been trying to verify the IGI entries for Griffiths Tree and Elizabeth King for some time, without any success. Until I came across other Northiam Tree families in the England censuses (often indexed as Free), I was beginning to suspect that he had changed his name.
I am not certain of the accuracy of Elizabeth Ashdown as his mother. The only place I have seen mention of Elizabeth Ashdown is on Griffess Trees' death certificate, so it could be fuzzy memory on the part of his wife - particuarly as the Tree surname is not mentioned, just the mother's maiden(?) name. Have you seen Elizabeth Ashdown mentioned on any other documentation?
There is an entry in the Burial Parish Records on FindMyPast for William Tree, age 40, about 1812 in Northiam. This could be the father of Griffiths Tree, particularly with Griffiths's first son was named William.
I am hoping that eventually the Northiam information will be indexed and available on the Internet, so I keep searching. I have written to the Sussex Family History Society requesting a lookup of the marriage of Griffiths Tree, and will post any info I receive.
Regards
Judy
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judt
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Hi Andrea
Thank you for your response. The marriage of Griffiths Tree and Elizabeth King is listed in the IGI, but with no reliable source information, so I am pleased to have this confirmed.
The Northiam area appears to be in Kent at the time of the 1851 census, so I now search both Kent and Sussex for info.
I will investigate joining the Sussex FHS. Thanks for the tip.
Regards
Judy
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swebby
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Hi Judy,
I have found the marriage !
It is on the Mid-Kent Marriages Site.
9 July 1792 Elizabeth Ashdown m William Tree in the Parish of Woodchurch Tenterden District of Kent.
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Sean
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judt
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Hi Sean
Thanks heaps for the info. This all seems to fit really well and has helped greatly.
Regards
Judy
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timaussie
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Hi Judy,
What is your connection to William Tree / Elizabeth Ashdown and Griffess Tree/Elizabeth King? Iam through Lois daughter of GT/EK
I have confirmed the 1Jul1833 marriage of Griffess Tree/Elizabeth King from the parish church records of Rye, Sussex (LDS film-1067289). The record does not give much further details except "both of this parish" and they were "batchlor/Spinster". Both signed their names. Witnesses all signed: Daniel Tree, Maria King, Martha King, Mary Tree.
A search of Rye parish records indicates this is the place of the Kings but not the Trees.
The only reference of Elizabeth Ashdown like you was on the Aust. death cert of Griffess Tree in 1870. Informant was his daughter.
I have also found the web info on WT/EA marriage in Woodchurch, Kent but it has no baptisms for Tree or Ashdown so not sure where to go next with this.
Regards,Tim
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judt
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Hi Tim
My relationship to Griffiths Tree(s) and Elizabeth King is through their 2nd son, Alfred James Tree(s).
The info you mention from the parish records fits in with the other data that I have found. Is the LDS record an actual image of the parish record, or just a more detailed index? Was his christian name spelt Griffiths or Griffess in this record?
I have an obituary for Griffess Trees published in The Christian Advocate in Sep 1870 listing his date of birth as 3 Sep 1808. Presumably this information was given by Elizabeth King, so hopefully is accurate.
Do you have any more information on the Kings? Because this is a fairly common name, I'm not very confident that the information I have is correct.
As more and more data becomes available over the Internet all the time, I just keep looking in the hope that the information will magically appear. However, searching for the surname 'Tree' can be like looking for the needle in the haystack.
Regards
Judy
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