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Topic: Hanley search for Sims about 1864 (Read 188 times)
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Cazay
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Hi Prue, found this entry in the 1871 census.......
61 St Mark St Shelton Hanley Staffordshire
RG10/2864 F8 p9
Walter Skinner 28 Worcester Potter's Turner
Mary Ann Skinner 28 Hanley
Edward Thos Sims 7 stepson Hanley Scholar
Frances Sims 4 stepdau Burslem "
Alfred Skinner son 6 months Hanley
A Marriage Free bmd.........Walter Skinner Dec 1867 Wolstanton 6b 140
On same page is Mary Ann Simms
Death - Thomas Simms age 24 Wolstanton 6b 94 June 1866
There is this birth in Wolstanton for a William Simms June 1865 6b 95 (his name could have been changed around a few times judging by the 1871 census)
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEssex; Livermore, Barker Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew Lincs; Drage Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman Lancashire; Brogden, Davis NSW, Inverell; Ricketts, Robinson Carcoar; Robinson, Thurtell, Wood Braidwood; Simpson, Brogden St Marys; Carpenter, Tolhurst, Dredge, Beahan Bathurst; Bayliss |
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Cazay
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Maybe another possibility for Thomas's birth as Frances Sims reg is in Dudley
Thomas Simms June Qtr 1864 Dudley 6c 84
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukEssex; Livermore, Barker Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew Lincs; Drage Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman Lancashire; Brogden, Davis NSW, Inverell; Ricketts, Robinson Carcoar; Robinson, Thurtell, Wood Braidwood; Simpson, Brogden St Marys; Carpenter, Tolhurst, Dredge, Beahan Bathurst; Bayliss |
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handm
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Hello,
According to Staffordshirebmd.org.uk, the marriage for Thomas Simms to Mary Ann Drakeford was at Wellington St Luke's(SoT), and that for Mary Ann Simms to Walter Skinner was at Burslem St John's.
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Hi Prue
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-STS-THE-POTTERIES/2004-05/1085142111
I'm just curious - if there was some "movement" as to Thomas's first middle name, "William?" Or was there a mix up between the father and son SIMS in the first marriage record?
Because his marriage to Alma Lottie BULL appears twice, a year apart in the FREEBMD:
1) Dec Qtr 1885 Gravesend - groom: Thomas Henry A SIMS
2) Dec Qtr 1886 Medway - groom: Thomas William A SIMS
1891: Thomas is on a list of Marines NOT on Board the HMS Invincible in Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsea Island, Hampshire on Census night
Thomas SIMMS 27, married, Private, b Hanley, Stafford
RG12/ Piece: 863 / Folio 120 / Pg 30
1891: Thomas 26, Royal Marine Priv. 26, b Hanley Satffs. is with his wife and 2 children in Village of Netley, Hound St Mary, Southampton
RG12 / Piece: 923 / Folio 9 / pg 11
Could there be any clues in the witness' to his marriage(s) to Alma?
Also, if his Naval papers are available, did it provide an address, DOB or next-of-kin on enlistment?
cheers
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Prue
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi Ambly,
Yes you are right we have copies of the 2 certificates. In 1885 Thomas signs as Thomas Henry Ashton. The 1886 copy is almost illegible but he has signed as Thomas William Ashton . The witnesses do not seem to be relatives and are not known. Most records that we have show that he used the names Thomas William Ashton. However at times he also used the name Edward as well !
In Jan-Oct. 1890 Thomas served on the Invincible on Coast guard service based at Netley , Southampton, which fits in with the 1891 Census record.
On his enlistment details d.o b. July 1863 his place of birth is Stoke on Trent Hanley.His trade was Carter. Religion C of E. He enlisted Jan. 1882 at Hanley and onto Walmer 19Jan 1882 - 26 July 1882 .
The Staffs Registrar office searched for his birth without success. So we are still looking.
Thank you for helping.
Kind regards,
Prue
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