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Census look up please
« on: Wednesday 30 July 08 14:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Smiley

I am looking for Samuel Lawley b1849 on census, either the 91 or 1901. I can't find a death for him and so census may help me in determining a decade when he did die.

His wife was in the workhouse in Birkenhead,  but he wasn't there as far as I could see.

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:04 BST (UK) »
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His wife was in the workhouse in Birkenhead,  but he wasn't there as far as I could see.

Presumably his wife is Elizabeth Lawley b 1851 Kidderminster Worcs who is shown as a widow on the 1901 census and married on the 1891 census

You need to provide Samuel's birthplace for a census lookup
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:15 BST (UK) »
Is her name Elizabeth ?


If so, she is in Birkenhead Workhouse in 1881 too - showing 'Married' - 2 kiddies; Gertrude and Olive
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK –
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:16 BST (UK) »
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See my reply above - also - Elizabeth is unmarried in 1881
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:18 BST (UK) »
You editted !


1871 his Pob is Liverpool
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK –
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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:20 BST (UK) »
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See my reply above - also - Elizabeth is unmarried in 1881

She's MARRIED in 1881   Smiley
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:24 BST (UK) »
1891 & 1901 shows birthplace Worcester - 1881 says Stafford

The 1881 has an Elizabeth Lawley b 1852 Worcester unmarried working as a servant in Warwick

Your find does seem the likelier bet but it would have been helpful if Sigrid had included the 1881 info re: children and Samuel and Elizabeth's birthplace
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:28 BST (UK) »
There is no Samuel Lawley b 1849 (ish) Liverpool on the 1881
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 15:29 BST (UK) »
Yes, the Workhouse Lady is c1852, Mitton Worcs ....

Agreed about the detaiuls (not) provided  Wink
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 16:13 BST (UK) »
Apologies, re Samuel. But he has left very little evidence. He was born Worcester, despite stating Liverpool on census.
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 16:19 BST (UK) »
1870 marriage in Kidderminster to Elizabeth Turbeville

1871 shows son Samuel aged 8months but all family member b Liverpool

1881 - Samuel Lawley aged 10 in Birkenhead Workhouse although shown as b Liscard Cheshire
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 16:20 BST (UK) »
Children on 81 census are in the workhouse. Elizabeth b 1850 Worcs also in the workhouse. No sign of Samuel. On 71 with wife Eliz and son Samuel.

As you say, Eliz on 91, 1901 married and then widowed. But I am not sure about the 91. Why was she in the workhouse on 3 census. She may have gone in and out, but where was Samuel???

All the info you have just given is correct. THey weren't born Liverpool, but Worcs
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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 16:31 BST (UK) »
Also in Birkenhead Workhouse in 1881 - all Lawley

Albert aged 4
Mary 5
Roland 8
William David 9

Plus the ones mentioned in previous replies
Samuel 10
Gertrude 3
Olive 6 months

Any death for Samuel would seem to be from Olive's conception to 1901
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 16:35 BST (UK) »
Gertrude Lizzie Lawley died June qtr 1881 and Olive Reece Lawley in March 1883
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« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 30 July 08 18:24 BST (UK) »
But no sign of Samuel even on the 81.

Thanks for all your help and input.

You never know, He may even pop up on the 1911 Shocked   Such is his 'mystery'

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