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Topic: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican (Read 1832 times)
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telnorm
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Hi, george crowther at the old house at home in stainburn sq is my gg grandad being the father of my g grandad william. I have george on 1891 census in east st leeds as an hotel keeper with his daughter caroline.you prob know this. I would be interested in which of georges offspring you are from. regards Terry crowther
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telnorm
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Hi! Ben, am listing below my crowther info as I see it. its mostly from census info and although george crowther seems to be unsure of his age sometimes the family names and ages seem to fit.
1861 10 mabgate fold leeds
george crowther 34 coal dealer ( gives birth place as halifax)
sarah ann 31
benjamin 10
hannah 6
sarah e 8
caroline 4
william 1 ( my g grandfather)
henry hodgson ( servant)
1871 6 mabgate fold leeds
george 44 ( traveller)
sarah ann 41
caroline 14
benjamin 20
hannah 16
harriet 2
robert 10
sarah 18
william 12
1881 6 stainburn st or sq? ( old house at home)
george 51 publican
sarah ann 51
william 20 ( brewer)
robert 17
carry ( caroline) 23
benjamin potts ( nephew)
1891 57 east st leeds
george 61 hotel keeper ( widower)
caroline 34
1891 bridge st kirkstall leeds
william crowther 30 general dealer ( my grt grand father)
margaret28
john 6
william 4 ( my grand father)
euphemia 4 mnths
annie gallagher 12 ( neice) ( died 1903 and buried in same grave as george and sarah ann)
george and sarah ann buried in grave no 5894 at becketts st leeds
inscription reads, in loving memory sarah ann wife of george crowther who died june 25th 1884 age 53 years also george crowther who died may 30th 1894 age 61 years.
I hope that this info is of interest to you.
ps. I see that you name sarah ann as turner, this I did not know so thank you.
regard Terry
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telnorm
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hello ben,
re inscription for george and sarah, I got it from a disk " leeds & district burials" that I have which lists various burial grounds & some inscriptions. I am assuming that the grave must still be there for them to have obtained this info.I dont know if you have ever visited becketts st but 7 yrs ago when I visited the old part was so badly overgrown that we gave up looking.
thanks for confirming sarah ann,s maiden name. I had been going off on the wrong track on this.
very interesting to see that you have located george & sarah on 1851 census, I will now add that to my tree.
I did have caroline on the 1901 census and am also interested in who got the property when she died in 1913 aged 55 yrs, although east st was a pretty poor area and has always seemed to be. I actually went to school 5 mins walk from east st and weaver sq which was just around the corner and is where my my grandad and grt grandad ( both william) were living in 1901.
I dont know if it is of interest to you but I have a copy of my grt grandads marriage cert dated 13th dec 1887 showing him residing in stainburn sq and listed as a brewer. george ( his dad) is also listed as a brewer.
hope that you do manage to get further info on george,
regards Terry
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telnorm
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Hi Ben,
I think you may well be correct re mabgate fold area being a possible wintering spot for the wagons and stuff, it sounds good to me.
re zuba, I came across this name when I was deeply into my research about two years ago and thought what a fantastic name to have in your tree. I could not connect her at that time.
anyway I have been looking on the free bdm website and found her. her name is shown as Azuba Crowther, died sep 1919 age 62 registered at Hunslet. I also found her entry on my burials disk as interned at harehills cemetery grave no 5454 born 1857 age 62yrs. I have found a number of deaths for benjamin crowthers ( I am sure you have to) but no way of knowing which is the one.
trusting that the azuba info proves useful. regards Terry
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Sylviaann
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To find old pictures of Leeds try this site http://www.leodis.net/
You might be lucky
Sylviaann
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukNorfolk: Gooch, Loveday, Lake, Betts Suffolk: Gooch, Crosby, Turner Hampshire: Laws, Burrows Kent: Beer Jersey: Barette, de Gruchy East London: Middleton, Gower, O'Farrell, Smith, Weston |
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wood_gnome
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Hi, I lived most of my life in Leeds. My Uncle Thomas Hunter married Ellen Crowther at Leeds registry office in 1938. Ellen Crowther's brother Robert use to have a Shooting Gallery on the Fairgrounds, just wondered if he was related to you.
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Vickers, Hunter, Stewart, Allen,Taylor, Page, Galloway, Jowett, Croft, Stocks, Harrison, Furbank, Grey -
Yorkshire
Banks, Stewart, Allen, McHugh, Bluett, Casey - Lancashire
Hunter,Stewart, Armstrong - Cumbria
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telnorm
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Hi! I dont know of ellen or robert crowther being part of my family because my father died in 1943 and my mother remarried. my fathers name was william , and I know that he had a brother called frank but otherwise know very little of the rest of the family. my father lived at coldcotes drive in 1939( when he married my mother) which is on the gipton estate leeds.
I am sure that ben will be very very interested in the fairground connection of robert crowther.
regards TC
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PaulSlo
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My ggg'dad Was a George Crowther From Leeds and in 1885 I have him in Stainburn sq working as Publican he later became a showman /traveler but I would like to know a bit about the area in Leeds. The area is St Peters sq, Lemon st, High st. This area is now mainly under Quarry hill flats but I would like to see if I can build up a picture of the area in his day. Cheers BEN
Dear Ben,
George was born in 1827 and baptised on Feb.3rd at Birstall. His father Benjamin was born around 1790 and lived in Scholes near Cleckheaton. Ben took his family to Leeds in the 1840's. He and George were 'coal leaders', i.e. deliverers of coal.
Benjamin lib=ved at mabgate Fold, and george - when married - at New Church Place. Benjamin died in 1852, and is buried in an unmarked grave in beckett Street Cemetary. George then lived in Mabgate Fold, and became a traveller with a Fair - owning a 'swingboat'. He seems to have given this work to a son- Benjamin, who died in 1917, whilst he took over the pub called 'The Old House at Home'. He gave this up to run a lodging house, and died in 1894. (He is buried in Beckett Street as well, and has a gravestone which was still standing in 2006.)
His spinster daughter Caroline took over the lodging house until her death in 1913.
George - like all his family - was illiterate, but made a will, leaving £117 to his children. I can give you more info if you want.
Paul Crowther
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PaulSlo
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hello ben,
re inscription for george and sarah, I got it from a disk " leeds & district burials" that I have which lists various burial grounds & some inscriptions. I am assuming that the grave must still be there for them to have obtained this info.I dont know if you have ever visited becketts st but 7 yrs ago when I visited the old part was so badly overgrown that we gave up looking.
thanks for confirming sarah ann,s maiden name. I had been going off on the wrong track on this.
very interesting to see that you have located george & sarah on 1851 census, I will now add that to my tree.
I did have caroline on the 1901 census and am also interested in who got the property when she died in 1913 aged 55 yrs, although east st was a pretty poor area and has always seemed to be. I actually went to school 5 mins walk from east st and weaver sq which was just around the corner and is where my my grandad and grt grandad ( both william) were living in 1901.
I dont know if it is of interest to you but I have a copy of my grt grandads marriage cert dated 13th dec 1887 showing him residing in stainburn sq and listed as a brewer. george ( his dad) is also listed as a brewer.
hope that you do manage to get further info on george,
regards Terry
Dear Terry,
William was my great grandfather as well. He is buried in Beckett Street in George's grave. The grave was still there in 2006, though only George is marked on the headstone.William's wife Margaret Jane (nee mackenzie) is buried separately in a communal grave with her name on it amongst about 5 or 6 others. I have exact locations for all the Crowther graves in the cemetary and copies of birth, death, and marriage certificates for all those in the William line that connects to me.
Caroline ran the Lodging House on East Street until her death. The property was demolished around that time. If you stand at the side of the Palace pub and look towards East Street, it was around there.
I also know the deep ancestry of our Crowther forefathers via analysis of my Y-chromosome (i.e. transmission on the father's line). More information is available if you want.
Best wishes,
Paul Crowther
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