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Topic: Crowthers, Leeds, Stainburn sq, Publican (Read 1858 times)
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Atbash
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Hi Ben,
Which Crowther are you related to from Leeds?
Im very interested in finding more info on your conection to Dewsbury Crowthers. are you interested in a Benjamin & Sarah crowther?
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Atbash
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Hi Paul,
Finally Found you, sorry to hear about uncle Harry.
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Atbash
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Hi Ben, I have same connection as Paul, his Father was my mums brother.
If there are two sets of Benjamin & sarah crowthers how many marriage certificates have you found for those names, I assume there are two?
also is it that you didn't find Ben & Sarah in the Dewsbury Parish registers you searched, or is it that the baptisms for that specific time period are missing?
look forward to your reply.
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PaulSlo
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Gary Murphy and I have been in extensive contact about matters arising from this thread. Since he and I were last in contact he has done a lot of work relevant to Benjamin Crowther (George Crowther's Dad, Aunt Euphemia's great grandad, and my great great great Grandad).
First, I have to confess I got a few things wrong. Benjamin and Sarah and family were in Leeds by 1841 (as Ben and Terry also discovered) . I had used the 1851 census date to determine that Benjamin was born in Birstall in 1790/1. The 1841 census suggests that he was born in 1795. Gary has persuaded me that the 1795 Benjamin is, in fact ours.
The Benjamin born in that year had a father called William, and its striking that there's evidence to suggest that he had other children - with names that were all given, also, by Ben to some of his children.
The other big booboo I made was in insisting on Benjamin being married to a Sarah Kitson. Gary has discovered that in the censuses for 1841 and 1851, there is a Ben and Sarah Crowther living at Staincliffe (near Batley) with a brother-in-law - George Kitson also in residence with them. It would be truly bizarre if there were two Benjamin Crowthers married to two Sarah Kitsons in the same area.
Garry has also found that, in Leeds, Benjamin's son - also called Benjamin - died in I844. There's also a death certificate for a baby boy called James in the same year. He died eight weeks old. On this certificate, Sarah's maiden name is given - Asquith. So this means that we should look for a marriage certificate for Ben. Crowther and Sarah Asquith. Sorry to have got this wrong.
Paul
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PaulSlo
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Further matters.
Gary has found that Benjamin actually signed his son's death certificate - so he was literate.
However, a few mysteries remain. Gary is considering a theory that a marriage between a Benjamin Cawthra and a Sarah Asquith at Bradford in 1821 may be 'ours' - maybe the vicar misheard the name. However, Bradford is a distance from Birstall, and this Benjamin couldn't write and so had to sign the certificate with 'his mark'. So we agree that the marriage certificate we are looking for may still be out there - maybe at Batley or Dewsbury.
The other mystery concerns Benjamin's other children. There may have been a John Crowther born in 1823, and the 1851 census has a son called William in the household. But they are not listed with the family in the 1841 census...
Finally, if the 1795 Benjamin is indeed ours, his dad William was born at Birstall in 1762/3, and his father was a Peter, who was born in the 1720's. But as I got it wrong before don't rely on this!
That's all for now.
Paul
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PaulSlo
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New detective work from Gary Murphy.
There was, indeed, a son called John born to Benjamin Crowther and Sarah Asquith. He was baptised on August 24th 1823, and died on February 13th 1825. Gary has copies of both the baptismal and death certificates.
He's also solved the mystery of the extra son 'William'. I quote him
'Hannah Crowther married William Hodgson on Oct 13th 1850 at Leeds parish church, she states her address as Mabgate Fold and her father as Benjamin.
So in the 1851 Mabgate Fold Census “William” aged 20 born at Leeds, is not William (Crowther) but is in fact William HODGSON, Son in Law'.
I think that Gary must be absolutely right on this, as he's correlated the info with subsequent census returns for William and Hannah.
Paul
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