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cleavers of sulgrave
« on: Thursday 31 July 08 15:21 BST (UK) »
can anybody give me any information regarding a lewin cleaver born sulgrave 1852
i am particurly interested in his ancestors prior to 1841 and lewin after 1901
but also would appreciate if anyone can find him in 1871 census i have him in 1861,1881,1891,1901
by the way i am doing this for a friend whose husband is related to him.
t.i.a.
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 31 July 08 16:26 BST (UK) »
1871

Lewis Cleaver    20.:     Northns, Sulgrave Agr Lab
Elizabeth Cleaver  24..:     Northns, Sulgrave
Piece: 1469; Folio: 125; Page: 3

Also on the pg

Jane Cleaver 40 head married
james Cleaver 18 son
John cleaver 12 son
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 31 July 08 16:38 BST (UK) »
This is his parents in the 1851



John Cleaver    30
Hannah Cleaver    27
Emma Cleaver     6
Martha Cleaver    2
Piece: 1735; Folio:  ; Page: 24;
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 31 July 08 16:42 BST (UK) »
This could be the marriage of his parents

1845 sept

CLEAVER    John         Brackley    15   325
Harwood    Hannah         Brackley    15   325

There is another poss in 1847 but this first one ties in with the birth of their daughter Emma
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 31 July 08 16:50 BST (UK) »
thank you very much judi
i will pass on the info you have provided
could i be cheeky and ask if you can find john and hannah in 1841 hoping john and hannah  will be with parents.
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 31 July 08 17:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Mick

marriage that I gave you is NOT correct ..............its this one below

1847 march

CLEAVER    John         Brackley    15   439
WISEMAN    Hannah         Brackley    15   275



4 other people on Genes Reunited researching this same Cleaver family. could be worth contacting.

all 4 have both the above names in their listings

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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 31 July 08 17:44 BST (UK) »
1841 for Hannah


Benjamin Wiseman     44 Agr Lab
Elizabeth Wiseman    44
Hannah Wiseman    18
Jane Wiseman    15
Elizabeth Wiseman 12
Joseph Wiseman    9
Sarah Wiseman    7
Mary Wiseman    4
Emma Wiseman    1
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 31 July 08 17:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Judi and Mick

The Northants Marriage index has the 1847 marriage noted as John being a widower.

Sulgrave Parish Church
21 Feb 1847
John CLEAVER otp, full age, widower, labourer, father William, labourer to
Hannah WISEMAN otp, full age, spinster, father Benjamin, labourer

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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 31 July 08 17:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandy

Great thank you for sorting that out, now need the 1841 for John 1821 son of William Cleaver

So the first marriage DATE  could be right, but need to find the name

Female deaths in Brackley
CLEAVER    Mary Ann         Brackley    15   147...in 1843

CLEAVER    Female         Brackley    15   145..in 1845

Cleaver    Dianna         Brackley    15   149... in 1846
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 31 July 08 18:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Judi

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need the 1841 for John 1821 son of William Cleaver

John seems to be 22 and with his mother? Susannah in Sulgrave in 1841.

I will see if I can find the ages of the female deaths.

As on the border with Oxfordshire maybe over the county, what do you think
for parents marriage and John's 1st one.

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Many Burton Latimer names Nths Many Isham names Nths Many Orlingbury names Nths
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 31 July 08 18:04 BST (UK) »
Marriages for John Cleaver

1845 Sept

CLEAVER    John        Brackley    15   325    
French    James         Brackley    15   325    
Harwood    Hannah         Brackley    15   325    
Humphrey    Diannah         Brackley    15   325    
POWELL    William         Brackley    15   325    
SOUTH    Caroline         Brackley    15   325    
TAYLOR    Isaac         Brackley    15   325    
Vickers    Elizabeth         Brackley    15   325

So it could be that John had a previous marriage to Diannah in 1845 & she then died in 1846..she could be Emmas mum & died giving  Birth?
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 31 July 08 18:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Judi

Can not see one on the N.M.I. so maybe not C of E marriage.

Quite possible what you have noted.  Smiley

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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 31 July 08 19:36 BST (UK) »
with regard to the 4 other people on genes reunited
one of them would be me the other one is the friend who asked me about lewin in the first place
she is in contact with the other two.
hannah wiseman seems to ring a bell somewhere i will have to have a look at my tree to be certain
still need to find the family somewhere prior to 1841
as i said i am doing this for a friend who originally got in contact with me through genes-reunited
thank you seahall and judi for what you have found out so far
i shall study it more carefully over the weekend
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 August 08 21:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Woozle and Judi

I looked at the original record for John's second marriage (no 1st one at Sulgrave).

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Pg.18 No.35
Both sign with their marks.
Witnesses: Thomas and Hannah Cleaver, both sign their marks.

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Eady-Nths, Green- Nths , Vorley-Nths Many Finedon names Nths Many Little Harrowden names Nths
Many Burton Latimer names Nths Many Isham names Nths Many Orlingbury names Nths
Many Raunds names Nths Sibley Nths, Sibley Beds
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Re: cleavers of sulgrave
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 August 08 21:30 BST (UK) »
The two witnesses on John's marriage certificate seem to be
the children of William and Martha Cleaver.

Sulgrave Parish Church Baptisms

Pg.32 No.251
August 12 1827
Thomas Son of William and Martha Cleaver Sulgrave Labourer

Pg.32 No.252
August 12 1827
Anna Daughter of William and Martha Cleaver Sulgrave Labourer

Couldn't find one for John.

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Eady-Nths, Green- Nths , Vorley-Nths Many Finedon names Nths Many Little Harrowden names Nths
Many Burton Latimer names Nths Many Isham names Nths Many Orlingbury names Nths
Many Raunds names Nths Sibley Nths, Sibley Beds
Hall Shoreditch, Hayford Shoreditch, Just, London Vellamouth- Bodmin, Cornwall
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