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jay jay
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The Freeman Family
« on: Thursday 31 July 08 18:20 BST (UK) »
Is anyone able to help me with this one please.  I have been stuck on it for a couple of years now, so any help would be just MAGIC!!!

I think I need someone to look-up the Chichester parish records please.

My query is for Henry Freeman - born (supposedly) 1791 in Crawley, but possibly registered in Chichester.  I have absolutely no other information about his parents or siblings.

If anyone is able to help me I would be eternally grateful.

Many thanks to all.     Undecided

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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 August 08 09:05 BST (UK) »
This seems odd.  Crawley was a very small place in those days and it is nowhere near Chichester!  I assume you mean he was baptised in Chichester?  There are several churches there.  What is your reasoning for these suppositions?  Can you quote a census record?  That might help.  Have you checked the baptisms at Worth?   That would probably have been the local church for Crawley then.
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #2 on: Friday 01 August 08 09:13 BST (UK) »
Is theis the person you are talking about,( in Yorkshire in 1851)?

1851
HO107 2355 105 27
Peaseholme, Yorkshire

Henry Freeman 60 Hatter bn Sussex Crawley
Mary wife 43 bn Cumberland, Kendal
Thomas son 15 Confectioners bn Warwickshire Birmingham
Henry 13 son Errand Boy bn B'ham
Eliza 10 dtr bn B'ham
Alfred 8 son bn Yorkshire
Catherine 5 dtr bn Y'shire
Joseph 3 son bn Y'shire
William 10 mths bn Y'shire
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« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 August 08 09:33 BST (UK) »
The only Freeman family in Warwickshire 10 years earlier in 1841 with any sort of resemblance to this one is as folows - even this only has Mary, Willam and Eliza matching!!!

HO107 1135 2A
Baglington, Warwickshire
Joseph Freeman 53 shoemaker
Alice? 43? (indexed as Josie 13 - take your pick!)
Samuel 29
Mary 30
William 3
Ellen 9mths
Eliza 9mths
George 16

but whether this lot are anyting to do with Henry from Crawley I wouldnt like to guess - certs would be needed to prove!
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 August 08 09:39 BST (UK) »
1861

Vine Street York
Mary Freeman widow 48 lodging house keeper bn York
Henry 24 son hairdresser bn Warwickshire B'ham
Alfred 19 Fireman NE railway bn York
Joseph 12 bn York
William 10 bn York
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 August 08 09:53 BST (UK) »
Eliza and Ellen - 9 mths in 1841

births:
Ellen Jul/Aug/Sep 1840
warwick ref 16 467

Eliza Jul/Aug/Sep 1840
Warwick ref 16 466

took me ages to sort this one as I expected them to be on same page! ut obviously one was the last on one page and one the first on the next.
Probably red herrings, but having found them i thought I might as well share it in case.
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 August 08 09:59 BST (UK) »
Bother !!
IGI has extracted christening for Ellen and Eliza (plus loads of others) as children of Samuel and Mary.

so doesnt look like they are the right ones (unless Samuel dies and Mary remarries to another Mr Freeman, Henry the hatter, of course)

back to the drawing board!

As Sillgen says, why do you think he was christened in Chichester?

Do you have any other records about him other than 1851 census, that might indicate this?

Do you have a birth cert of any of the children that give a maiden name for MAry?
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 August 08 12:27 BST (UK) »
Hello both .....

Many thanks for all your help and ideas.  Firstly, I was advised that the records for Crawley may well be at the Chichester Records Office - don't know why but am willing to try any avenue at this stage! Afraid I got the registration and baptisms mixed up here - sorry, didn't mean to confuse anyone!

All of the York findings are correct, but still have this time where he was living in York, had 3 children in Birmingham and then back to living and dying in York.  During the Birmingham time I am COMPLETELY stumped. There are no findings on him during 1841 and still nothing (apart from births of children) until 1851 census.

I have now emailed the Church at Worth to see whether they have any help available for me, but if not I certainly don't know where to try next.

Anyway, once again, thanks indeed for all your help - will let you know if I manage to uncover anything from Worth.

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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 August 08 12:28 BST (UK) »
p.s. - liz .....

I do have a couple of childrens births in York and her name is Mary Robinson.  My problem is that I haven't yet found any marriage for them anywhere - Kendal, Birmingham, Sussex or York.

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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #9 on: Friday 01 August 08 12:31 BST (UK) »
Yes, all Sussex records are at either Chichester or Lewes.  Worth is on the IGI too.  Do you know his wife's maiden name?
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #10 on: Friday 01 August 08 12:50 BST (UK) »
Having now looked at the 1851 image there is a line across his age.  Is it possible that he was 40 then not 60?  How old was he at death?   Presumably you have got a birth certificate for Eliza born c1840 as that should have an address and they may still be there in 1841??  The other possibility is that if his age is correct then Mary may be a second wife - that makes those birth certificates even more interesting.
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #11 on: Friday 01 August 08 12:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Andrea,

Yes - she is Mary Robinson.  I was able to get that off a later childs birth.  I can't find anything onthe first 3 children born in Birmingham between 1836 and 1841 though.

I have everything else on this family, but can't go back any further with Henry as I am not able to find anything at all on him yet.

I'm not sure where else to try - it seems as though I have done everything I can, but I do feel sure that there will be some records somewhere I haven't been able to access - It's just knowing WHERE......

jay
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #12 on: Friday 01 August 08 12:55 BST (UK) »
I would try Worth parish records - held at Chichester RO (I think it is there and not Lewes!)

If he was a Hatter I wonder if he served an apprenticeship?

Go on - have a day out in Chichester and see what they have!
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« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 August 08 13:07 BST (UK) »
Can we assume that you have searched the full GRO index for the earlier children?  Henry and Eliza should appear with luck.  Baptisms in Birmingham?    How old was Henry at death??  Was he still a hatter then?  I am not sure where you live but you are bound to be somewhere within reach of an LDS FHS centre (listed on familysearch.org) and you can order most parish registers on film to search there.  Well worth doing.
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Re: The Freeman Family
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 August 08 16:08 BST (UK) »
Hi guys - many thanks for all your efforts again.  I have now emailed the Chichester records office.  Worth Church do not hold records from that long back - they are definitely at CRO.

I have checked the GRO lots of times in the hope of finding Eliza and Henry but no luck there.Henry died in 1858 aged 71 (I know there is a discrepancy but have checked that out with the York Cemetery), and at the time of death he was a City Missionary.

It also seems he was connected with York Minster .... have written to them but heard nothing back yet.

So ... I am keeping all fingers and toes crossed that CRO comes back with something good.
Am feeling a little more hopeful now.        Cheesy
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