pritch19
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I'm looking for the marriage of a David Harris (c.1803) and Ann Rees (c.1808) which probably took place in the parish of St. Issells.
On various census returns both state their place of birth as St. Issells. They lived in the parish after their wedding and all of their eight children were baptised there. Their first born, William, was baptised 15 March 1832 so I'm assuming the marriage took place about 1830/31.
Would be grateful for any details about the marriage on the 1813-1837 marriage index.
Thanks.
pritch
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slyvia
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U.K.Geneology on line
There are 2 marriages for a David Harris and Ann Rees at St Issmels
12th November 1831 ID No.34695
3rd December 1833 ID No.34567 Sylvia
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osprey
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the second one of those marriages is in St Ishmaels, not St Issels on the index I have.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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slyvia
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Sorry
My mistake
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pritch19
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Thanks slyvia and osprey for looking up the marriage. Appreciate it.
pritch
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jonm
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Pritch
FYI - there are also a couple of baptisms in Begelly for this couple:
William baptised 27/2/1832, parents residence Coppit Hall, St Issells, collier
Mary 2/2/1834 residence Begelly Backs, collier; presumably this is the Mary who is buried at St Issells 16/11/1836 aged 2, residence Leverox.
It looks like William was baptised twice - once in Begelly and then 2 weeks later in St Issells.
The witnesses at David and Ann's wedding were Thomas Jones and Thomas Prickett.
Jon
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tenby tart
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jonnm
i live a few minutes from st issells church would you like me to have a look at the headstones for any one
regards
lynne
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tenby tart
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sorry meant for pritch
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pritch19
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jonm
Thanks very much for the extra and very interesting information. I'm pondering now why William would have been baptised twice but the Begelly baptism 27/2/1832 most certainly looks to be the same William, in the 1871 census he actually gives Coppit Hall as his place of birth.
I was unaware of their second child Mary, sadly another brief life. Leverox was the family's residence on the 1841 census.
Thanks again for the extra details.
pritch
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pritch19
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lynne
Thank you very much for you kind offer but David Harris and family moved from St. Issells to the Abertillery area of Monmouthshire in the 1860's. I don't yet know the parents of David and Ann so don't know if they could possibly be buried there. If you could look at the headstone of Mary Harris for me that would be great. But please do not go to too much trouble.
Thanks.
pritch
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jonm
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Pritch
Not sure the whole family made the move...
It looks like David Harries died in Saundersfoot and is buried at St Issells 5/7/1863 aged 62.
I have done some work on a population reconstruction for St Issells/Begelly. I have a couple of hunches for the parents of Ann Rees and David Harries. Let me know if you are interested.
Jon
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pritch19
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Jon
You could well be right! I'd assumed David was still alive in 1867, the year his eldest daughter Sarah married in Llanhilleth, Mon. The marriage certificate did not state he was deceased. I thought he had probably died in the late 1860's but thought it to be in Monmouthshire.
It looks as if the family moved after after his death. I have found William and a number of siblings, along with mother Ann in Abertillery after 1871. I think you've helped me fill in a gap of the timeline of the family.
I certainly would be interested in your hunches for the parents of David Harries and Ann Rees.
Thanks again.
pritch
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jonm
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Here are my hunches...
Ann Rees' parents: likely to be George and Hannah (nee Griffiths). They have several children baptised in St Issells from 1791 and their last is Ann (bapt 24/4/1808). There are no other likely Anns baptised around this time it could be. George (1837) and Hannah (1851) are both buried at St Issells, their residence Coppit Hall, a fact that links in nicely with the baptism of David and Ann Harries' first child, William, in 1832.
David Harries' parents: possibly David and Elizabeth (nee Beynon). They also have several children baptised in St Issells post-marriage in 1790 but I don;t have a baptism for David in my transcription of the register - maybe I missed it. There are no other Harries families having children in St Issells around this time. An Elizabeth Harries is buried in St Issells in 1842 aged 77, lives next door to David and Ann and their children in the 1841 census at Leverox.
I am more comfortable with the Rees hunch but the Harries one does seem probable.
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pritch19
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Jon
If only my hunches could be so near the mark!
Have to admit that the details for Ann's parents look very promising, the baptism date of 24/04/1808 fits perfectly.
The fact that there are no other Harries baptisms around the time lead me to believe that David And Elizabeth may well have been David's parents, especially as an Elizabeth Beynon was living next door to the family in 1841.
Thank you very much, I appreciate the help.
pritch
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