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Kazza
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Grandad James,
Thanks for that information, it is all fascinating, I love the Vive ut Vivas .
I had my doubts that my part of the Hole Family would have ever had a Coat of Arms, they are all lowly souls. Ag Labs, etc.  So it comes as no surprise that there does not seem to be a 'valid' one. And there are lots of people happy to charge me money to find one.
Some years ago, many years ago, when I was a teenager  , I bought a scroll for my dad with information on the name, origins and coat of arms et al, which sadly I have now found seems to all have been a fabrication to put it politely.
But, it sparked an interest in genealogy, and now it is in danger of taking over my life. Like you I have to have regular 'hits', and the information you have given is my latest one. A negative is as valid an answer as a positive, and it is answers I seek.
I will try to get a close up as you suggest, not sure at the mo' how to do it though. My latest challenge...........
Thanks Again,
Kazza.
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Grandad james
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Hi Kazza,
Its the piece in the centre of the wings that may help identify.
The two wings conjoined , described as VOL , are often used and have another emblem in the centre where they join.
I collect livery buttons, and crests and monogrames from Victorian and Edwardian notepaper and envelopes, and I suppose I can only get a 10% identification for the various crests used. However sometimes with luck there is an address on the notepaper as well as a crest and that can then help identify.
I find the research is absorbing , and the standard of printing is in the main first class.
Maybe in the genes as Great grandad was a Butler and my Grandad started out as a page boy.
Best wishes Grandad james.
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BOORER/BORER/BORRER/BOARER,Origins in
Surrey,Sussex,Kent and London.
BOORER/BORER? Registered One Name Study -WORLDWIDE.
ELLIS Richmond Surrey. Fletching Sussex
FREEMAN Chertsey , Isleworth Middx and Richmond Surrey.
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Kazza
Sorry, had to shoot out, had to take eldest daughter for an hospital appointment at 10.20 - only had 20 mins to get there
Grandad - thankyou for responding to Kazza's questions - I appreciate that.
HOLL - Norfolk, a sea lion, sejant, or, guttee-desang
So Kazza, it is a gold sea lion in the sitting position, field of red droplets
Chris in 1066Land
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Kazza
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Gardener,
It is a dramatic looking creature isn't it. I always read them backwards as well. 
Grandad James,
I have not had much luck getting any more detail out with a close up. I had always assumed it was 2 quills and an inkpot, and I rather liked that as I am a writer (Unpublished ) on the side. I have tried, but I cannot get anything worth posting sorry. If any techies out there want to give it a go, please do.
Kazza.
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Surname interests: Clementsten, Hobson, Hole, Marden, O'Clements, Pitten, Sharland, Vickery (Vicary), Williams. Area Interests: Cardiff, Bampton, Bideford, Crediton, Wollaston, Somerset, Tidenham, Norway, Australia to Bristol.
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M.T.H
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Hi Kazza,
I don't know if this will be of any use to you but I found it here
http://www.wykes.org/nthwyke.html
"Also appearing in connection with Wyke marriages are the Giffard "3 ermine lozenges" and the Hole family of Black Hall, South Tawton similar "or 3 lozenges, an amulet in centre".
It sounds as though it could be describing the family crest that you use 
catch you later,Mick
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Thank you Chris for that Jones CREST have now saved it
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P.S is there a reason why they are all in black
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi
P.S is there a reason why they are all in black
Non other than it is in a book, lovely coloured cover - but all printed in Black & White.
Download it to computer, re-open it in 'paint' or similar program and put your own colours on to it
Chris in 1066Land
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Grandad james
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Hi Kazza and All,
Now we're starting to get into these HOLES.. 
Mickey M 's post is interesting as Devon features in my findings. I'll look at that later.
I consulted a friend and we have come up with...
." Source Information:
Original data: Sir Bernard Burke, The General Armory of England, Scotland, Wales; Comprising A Registry of Armorial Bearings From the Earliest To the Present Time, London, England: Harrison, 59, Pall Mall, 1884.
This is a compilation of about 60,000 coats of arms. It "comprises the Armorial Bearings of the Noblemen and Gentlemen of the British Empire, and the various Coats that are to be seen in churches and family mansions, together with those traceable on Seals, Deeds, Wills, and Monumental remains”
HOLE (Ebberly House, near Great Torrington Co Devon.
Az.an annulet ar.betw.three lozenges or,quartering Gu.two bars or.
crest Out of a mural coronet or,an arm in armour embowed,holding a battle axe all ppr.
Motto Honour virtutis praemium.
HOLE (Co Salop) Quarterly,ar.and sa. a cross engr.betw.four escallops all counterchanged.
crest An escallop sa.betw.two wings ar.
There is mention of Ebberly House at the following website.
Robert Alford's Trial
... be situate at a cross way on the north side of the turnpike road from Bideford to
Chumleigh on the east side of the road leading from Ebberly House, the seat ...
www.tetlow.co.uk/robert_alford's_trial.htm
Feel free to ask questions , no certainty as to the answers.
I am seeing learned friend tomorrow so will see if he can come up with any thing else, the problem with the General Armory is that it refers to the existance of the Arms but sometimes nothing else about the holders..
Still we know there were some for HOLE and that they were awarded prior to 1884.
Best wishes Grandad james.
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BOORER/BORER/BORRER/BOARER,Origins in
Surrey,Sussex,Kent and London.
BOORER/BORER? Registered One Name Study -WORLDWIDE.
ELLIS Richmond Surrey. Fletching Sussex
FREEMAN Chertsey , Isleworth Middx and Richmond Surrey.
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Grandad James
Congratulations, Well done, Kazza will be pleased.
Something you wrote there just struck a cord:
It "comprises the Armorial Bearings of the Noblemen and Gentlemen of the British Empire, and the various Coats that are to be seen in churches and family mansions, together with those traceable on Seals, Deeds, Wills, and Monumental remains”
My wifes maiden name is Lister and we know the family originated in Otley / Ilkley in the West Riding of Yorkshire. One of her family members John Lister (5 x Grt Uncle) kept the pub in Ilkley called 'The Lister Arms' of all things, built in 1825. We know from directories and "The visitors guide to the Beauties of Ilkley", published 1829, that he was named as the Innkeeper.
Inside Ilkley church, hanging on the wall is a 'Lister Coat of Arms' - Now, is that any connection with the Lister people we know about.
Lister John - bore, ermine, on a fess sable, three mullets, or
Would be interesting if any of your information could prove, suggest any links
Chris in 1066Land
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Grandad james
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Hello Chris,
Well, briefly, there is quite a lot of information available on the Listers and it would seem that the three mullets feature regularly.
I always have problems with mullet and keep wanting them to be a fish ,not a star.
So going for a gold mullet,
Lister has a half page in the General Armory and there is also mention in the various Peerage books.
Baron Ribblesdale was one. Arms in Halifax church.
According to one of my books circa 1930s the baronetcy is now extinct.
The print is very small and I have had problems scanning in the past as the overleaf sometimes shadows through.
I will try and put together the various bits and pieces ,speak to friend and get back to you over the weekend or early next week.
And I thought researching London was a minefield..
Best regards
Grandad james.
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BOORER/BORER/BORRER/BOARER,Origins in
Surrey,Sussex,Kent and London.
BOORER/BORER? Registered One Name Study -WORLDWIDE.
ELLIS Richmond Surrey. Fletching Sussex
FREEMAN Chertsey , Isleworth Middx and Richmond Surrey.
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Kazza
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Granddad James,
Lots of gold mullets to you I think.
Thank you so much for all this research you have done for me, I am finding it absolutely absorbing. If I can ever repay the favour, just shout. I will probably have to look into Heraldry myself now, you have got me hooked.
So far all my Holes are in Devon, or Somerset, moving to Wales later. So it looks like a promising lead as far as my family origins are concerned.
I await the next installment with bated breath..........
Mickey,
Thanks so much for that link, the funny thing is I do have ancestors living in Zeal Monocorum, where the unfortunate Katherine ended up.
The plot thickens..........
Kazza.
Just noticed my overuse of as you can see you have both made me very happy. 
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