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Grandad james
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Hi Kazza.
It now looks to me that whoever "created" the Arms you found,( whether they are by a commercial enterprise ,or were issued by the College of Arms, remains unanswered) they are a mixture of the descriptions in The General Armory.
The crest is that attributed to the Hole (co Salop),so your inkwell is an escallop and the quills are wings. The shield has the Annulet (ring) and three lozenges , but does not have the quartering and neither of the bars.
I am pleased your interest has been aroused , but as with family history ,
always more questions than answers.
One is this...
Having found a crest, without the Mural Coronet, (a crown made of bricks like the battlements of a castle)but with the arm etc as in HOLE (Ebberly House) in Fairbairns...
Plate 55 no 3 ..... Is Chris reading this 
I turned to the list of Families that used it and guess what .
No 3 blank....... 
I dont understand why that is so. I would have thought that it would have been used by several families, as both the battleaxe and the Arm in armour were popular emblems.
So the search continues for some more answers..
Best wishes
Grandad james.
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BOORER/BORER/BORRER/BOARER,Origins in
Surrey,Sussex,Kent and London.
BOORER/BORER? Registered One Name Study -WORLDWIDE.
ELLIS Richmond Surrey. Fletching Sussex
FREEMAN Chertsey , Isleworth Middx and Richmond Surrey.
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Chris in 1066Land
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Hi Grandad
Yes, I am listening 
Plate 55, Crest 3
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Grandad james
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Hi Kazza,
Next instalment...
Armorial Families by Fox-Davies. 1895 Edition.
(what a pleasure to actually get my hands on this original copy last night. )
William Robert HOLE Esq, Justice of the Peace for Devon,born March 21 ,1831. only son of William HOLE of Park, by wife Susanna,eldest dau of the late Rev William KITSON of Shepnay,Devon.
livery Dark Blue with silver buttons.
Armorial bearings As used but for which no Authority has been established in the College of Arms
Azure , an annulet argent,between 3 Lozenges,or.
Crest Out of mural coronet an arm in armour embowed holding a battleaxe,all proper.
Motto Honor Virtutis Praemium.
Married 8th April 1875 ,Emily Letitia, 2nd Daughter of the Rev John Hall PARLBY of Manadon ,Devon.
issue William George HOLE b. May 2nd 1881.
Estates.. Parke , Stickwich , Dornafield , and various Farms
Address. Parke ,Bovey Tracey, Devon.
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That should keep you busy for a bit.
There is More
Cup of tea first....
Regards
Grandad james.
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BOORER/BORER/BORRER/BOARER,Origins in
Surrey,Sussex,Kent and London.
BOORER/BORER? Registered One Name Study -WORLDWIDE.
ELLIS Richmond Surrey. Fletching Sussex
FREEMAN Chertsey , Isleworth Middx and Richmond Surrey.
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Grandad james
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Hi Chris,
Again, transcribed from ,
Armorial Families 1895. by Fox-Davies.
George Spofforth LISTER Justice of the Peace and Dep Lieutenant for Lincoln, Justice of the Peace ,West Riding ,co York. M.A. Cambridge.
born 1811, son of late James LISTER of Ousefleet Grange,West Riding ,York.
Armorial bearings as given in Burkes Landed Gentry but for which no Authority has been established.
Ermine of a fesse sable, three Mullets or.
Crest Stags head erased proper.
Married 1848 Caroline 3rd Daughter of William Mostyn OWEN of Woodhouse in the county of Salop.
Postal Address .. Finningly Park, Bawtrey, Yorkshire.
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My friend has suggested that a LISTER may well have been patron of the church in question.. May have details of who was the patron in a directory..
Regards Grandad james.
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BOORER/BORER/BORRER/BOARER,Origins in
Surrey,Sussex,Kent and London.
BOORER/BORER? Registered One Name Study -WORLDWIDE.
ELLIS Richmond Surrey. Fletching Sussex
FREEMAN Chertsey , Isleworth Middx and Richmond Surrey.
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Grandad james
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Hi Kazza,
More Holes in Devon..
Kelly's Handbook to the Titled Landed and Official Classes 1886.
HOLE Alfred Rt, s.of late Maj HOLE. J.P. :
born 1816 . married 1840 , Elizabeth,eld dau,of late J.Mercer,Maidstone.
Late 13 Hussars and Maj N.Devon yeom.
J.P. Devon.
Army and Navy Club.
Beam,Torrington.
HOLE John Boger, s.Fras.HOLE of Sandford, N.Tawton,N.Devon:
born 1823 . J.P. Somerset:
Standerwick Court, Frome.
HOLE Rev Robert, B.A. Oxon. s of Rev Geo HOLE. rect of Chumleigh and preb.of Exeter(died1859).
born 1824. married 1860 Kate dau of Robt.Fulford:
JP Devon. Rector from 1850 North Tawton,N.Devon.
HOLE Rev,canon Samuel Reynolds, M.A. Oxon only s. of S.Hole of Caunton (died1868);
born 1820, married 1861 ,Caroline,eld dau of late J.Francklin,of Gonalston,Notts:
canon of Lincoln from 1875. RD and vicar of Caunton from 1850. Chapl.to Archbp of Canterbury from 1883;
Caunton Manor ,Newark.
HOLE Thomas, s of rev Francis Hole of George Ham.N Devon;
born 1841. married 1874 Ada Mary,only dau,of rev C.R.Blathwayt,of Chelmarsh,Salop.
JP Somerset.
Moorlands Merriott,Crewkerne.
HOLE Wm Rt
Same person as previous reply.
only additional info is that his Father w. Hole died in 1859.
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Same title but 1911 Edition.
HOLE Wm Gerald, B.A. Oxon, only s,of Wm Robt Hole of
Parke,Bovey Tracey, Devon (died 1903)
born 1881 married 1905 Mildred Ada,youngest dau
of Rev John G Bingley of Woodford Torquay.
lt. R. 1st Devon yeo from 1909
Lowerdown Cross, Bovet Tracy.
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Thats about it.
Cheers
Grandad james.
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BOORER/BORER/BORRER/BOARER,Origins in
Surrey,Sussex,Kent and London.
BOORER/BORER? Registered One Name Study -WORLDWIDE.
ELLIS Richmond Surrey. Fletching Sussex
FREEMAN Chertsey , Isleworth Middx and Richmond Surrey.
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Kazza
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Grandad James,
Wow, I am hooked.
Family rumour is that we are linked to the Parke Holes, though I have not found the connection yet. Mainly due to an elusive GG-Grandfather. Soon as I get past him, I will know as the Parke Holes have been well documented. But I know we are in Devon, somewhere, though I suspect the Parke Holes are too good for the likes of us.
You have reinvigourated me to pin down this line, I had got carried away on a tangent because the other lines have been relatively easy.
I love the armoured arm though, and thanks to Chris for scanning it in.
(what a pleasure to actually get my hands on this original copy last night. ) I am glad you are enjoying the Hole hunt too.
There is a lot for me to take in here, I am going to digest it, and pin down my G-Grandfather, and try to make sense of it all.
Thanks to you both, and your friend with the books 
Kazza.
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 Surname interests: Clementsten, Hobson, Hole, Marden, O'Clements, Pitten, Sharland, Vickery (Vicary), Williams. Area Interests: Cardiff, Bampton, Bideford, Crediton, Wollaston, Somerset, Tidenham, Norway, Australia to Bristol. |
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Hi Grandad James
Can I echo Kazza's comments and say thank you very much for the information.
My wife appreciates any info that brings her closer to her anestors and we will certainly start looking for Church literature to see if we can pin down that patron.
The shield of Lister was on a wall in the church with about 8 or 10 other shields and looked as though it had hung there for centuries - but who knows
Will now have to start planning another trip up to the West Riding
Thanks again Grandad
Chris in 1066Land
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M.T.H
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Hi all,
I just wanted to say how interesting I'm finding this thread 
Grandad James,didn't you say that you weren't going to get involved in any more discussions of this sort?
I think you love it really
Keep it up,great stuff,Mick
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Kazza
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Well I said you had got me interested........
I looked at the site of the people who have supplied RootsChat with the Coats of Arms and found the Hole one displayed, without the crest, but it gives no details of the armiger. It does have a page with some heraldry information however:
http://www.araltas.com/heraldry/
Experts such as Grandad James will have to pass judgement on it's accuracy, but I found it useful for the complete beginner (me).
So from what I have learnt today I think the blazon for the arms I have been using is:
azure, 3 lozenges argent, an annulet of the first
When I started that it seemed easy, but got more complicated, don't think that is correct now. 
But I am learning, always learning,
Kazza.
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Surname interests: Clementsten, Hobson, Hole, Marden, O'Clements, Pitten, Sharland, Vickery (Vicary), Williams. Area Interests: Cardiff, Bampton, Bideford, Crediton, Wollaston, Somerset, Tidenham, Norway, Australia to Bristol.
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Kazza
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Now for Kazza.( I have put on my pedantic cap.)
Your Blazon description is lacking a positional reference for the annulet which in turn gives the position of the lozenges . ie between.
Not sure what is meant by of the first.
If I was you I would be aiming for ......
Blue backgroung (Azure)..
I think you should try and colour your lozenges Gold or failing that Yellow. (Or) as the ones portrayed are Argent
(Silver or White.) The Annulet stays white or silver.
With the change to Gold you can be sure that it was used by William Robert HOLE... and use the reference from Armorial Families to back it up.
Hi me agin, you will get tired of me soon.
I tried my blazon from the advice given on the site on how they are written, but I probably misunderstood some of it. And I tried to write it to describe the one used here.
Azure - I knew I got that bit right, I was on safe ground there.
3 lozenges argent - Now getting more complicated as I have 2 sub-ordinary charges and did not know which one was the Primary. And I thought that if I did not state a position they take the 2 over 1 below shape.
annulet of the first - The instructions said not to repeat naming the colour if it is the same as the Primary. But I got annulet right. 
I left out the between because by now I was thoroughly confused and wished I had not started.
You see, I hardly ever take off my pedantic hat, and thought it would serve me well in this context.
What I learned today is that I am not as fast a learner as I thought, but I learned something.
Thanks again,
Kazza.
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Surname interests: Clementsten, Hobson, Hole, Marden, O'Clements, Pitten, Sharland, Vickery (Vicary), Williams. Area Interests: Cardiff, Bampton, Bideford, Crediton, Wollaston, Somerset, Tidenham, Norway, Australia to Bristol.
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