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bellbird
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Hi Dorset Folk. Thanks for your efforts re Jane Ackerman. To try and get her I have been chasing Henry Joliffe, her brother and have found his grave in NZ. On the gravestone it said he was born in 1838 in Burton Bradstock Dorset. Found his christening entry in IGI and clicking on family up came the rest including Jane also born at Burton Bradstock 1834 but no other date, i.e. date and month. Their parents are William Joliffe Ackerman and Elizabeth March married 28/9/1828 in Bridport. Have heard a rumour that he was asked to leave Bridport which may account for first 2 children being born in Bridport and next 3 at Burton Bradstock and last one in Bridport in 1844. I would still like info about Janes birth date. She died in NZ. According to an old newspaper report Henry was much aggrieved at being "coaxed" out to NZ under false information so he thought and apparently had lent John W and Jane some money. He ended up on their doorstep when John was halfway across the Hutt River in his boat and threatened to do Jane in and got a bit violent, neighbours came to Janes rescue and he ended up in court saying he was the agrieved party but was fined 5 pound and bound over to keep the peace for 3 months. So yes Henry and Susan ended up in NZ but don't have a date for their arrival. Found another lady in Wellington who has been chasing Jane too, a Historical Researcher at Carterton put us in touch and now what I've found and another email has thrown her research and conclusions to the 4 winds, she's not sure whether to be amused or upset it would appear. Still it's good to have company on the search for these two particular reles.
Maybe you folk could help me with some information of where I could go next with my grandfather's family in Devon. I have put up a couple of requests on the Devon site and no bites whatsoever. Where else could I look or processes I could follow. Thanks in anticipation. To the "Breakfast Club folk" i.e. Porridge for 1 and toast and marmite for No 2. You must be early birds on the computer, thought I was bad enough. Thought Vegemite was what you folk had and Marmite was a kiwi item, maybe we export it now?
To the one who wondered if I ewas after NZ connection only, no I want once the correct family for JohnPTG Webb and Jane Joliffe Ackerman are sorted to go back as far as I can. I have seen dates for the Ackerman and Webb families quite early, e.g. Ackerman Marriage in 1655 so would like to find the connection and complete that family tree. Well I'm off to cook tea. Hope all is well with you all. Bellbird
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bellbird
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Sorry should have read the epistle before I sent it. The Devon family connection is CRANCH. The one I know is Samuel born in 1855, he immigrated to NZ by jumping ship and swimming to shore, other 3 didn't kick off their sea boots and drowned. It was taken that he too had drowned, but after travelling around NZ under name Billy Hare he was persuaded to let the family at home know he was alive etc. They didn't appreciate it as they had reached the purple stage of mourning (don't know about the mourning stages). He married Elizabeth WEbb John and Janes daughter. Bellbird
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allibaker
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ok iam proberley duplicating info but what the hell its the school holidays and i need distraction from 2 under 5's 
children of william jollife ackerman and elizabeth -
marianna bapt 18th feb 1830 bridport
matthew bapt 17th july 1836 burton bradstock
henry bapt 9th dec 1838 burton bradstock
maria bapt 25th dec 1841 burton bradstock
amelia bapt 3rd nov 1844 bridport
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alli
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allibaker
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this looks like where the jollife / ackerman connection began -
joan ackerman married william jollife 14th nov 1770 bridport dorset as taken from the BIVRI VOL 2
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alli
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bellbird
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Morning folks. too tired to make it a good one and work calls. I have located Jane through her brother Henry Jolliffe Ackerman. A fiesty man by all accounts or according to a newspaper report of his day in court. He'd come down to Wellington from Carterton (NZ), don't know whether it was fortunate or not but husband John Powell Thomas Grant Webb (found him in a Bridport Parish record of christenings28/2/1834 parents Robert and Mary) was halfway across the Hutt River in his boat when Henry arrived threatening to "do" for Jane. He was going to burn their house down and do for her. People arrived as he was beginning to beat her up. He reckoned they got him out to NZ by misrepresenting things (inviegled the word he used) and owed him money. 10pound fine and 3 months bound over to keep the peace. Great being able to read the newspaper report. Apparently Jane and Henry's Dad William upset Bridport folk in some way and was asked to leave.
He went to Burton Bradstock with wife and 2 children, had 3 more there including Jane and Henry before returning to Bridport where he had 1 more child. Would love to know what was behind him being asked to leave Bridport : Blow my faces won't come up. Have found the grandaughter in Wellington of John and Janes. I come through daughter Elizabeth and she through daughter Mary and I now know who all the Salmon photos are of, Mary's family. If anyone can track down info on Jane and Henry I'd be grateful. Do you know of any sites I could get onto in Devon, I've put a couple of requests for the Cranch Family but have heard zilch and wondered what other way I could do some tracking down. Thanks in anticipation. Bellbird
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bellbird
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Morning again. Just found a boo boo in my last effort JPTG Webb's parents are Robert and Elizabeth not what I said. Bellbird
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carol8353
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Anyone else who wishes to help with this thread,please note the work already done by some of us on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314299.msg1976264.html#msg1976264
Once the marriage cert is purchased and we have prooof of the Jane's father's name, his profession,and possible linked witnesses,it should be easy enough to follow this family all the way backwards.
Carol
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bellbird
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Thanks for all your efforts you helpful people in Dorset. I tried to find Jane through her brother. A photo of his grave stone said he was born in 1838 in Burton Bradstock. A lady looking for Jane also is in Wellington and through a historical research person in Carterton I was put in touch with her. Turns out Jane is both our Great Grandmother. So we plod on together now in the search. According to a lady in the USA that had contacted Vanessa William was asked to leave Bridport so took his wife Elizabeth and 3 children with him, he had Jane and Henry at Burton Bradstock and a 6th child back in Bridport. So it would appear that the William and Elizabeth are the parents of Jane Joliffe above, Henry had Jolliffe in his name too as did his father, appears to be a family name. I have been emailed photos of Henry and his wife Susan grave stones by the Research lady in Carterton. I'll try and get hold of a man who lives outside Christchurch who apparently has contacts in the UK who will send him photocopies of documents and certificates and see if he can find them for JPTG Webb & Janes WEdding, and Robert & Elizabeths
so we can see where we go from there. Thanks Bellbird.
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History Girl
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Hello There, I am new to Roots Chat, joined today.
Saw your post about Jane Jolliffe Ackerman. For the past two years I have been tracing my Ackerman Family, my gt gt gt Grandfather was William Jolliffe Ackerman born 1778 in Bridport Dorset England. He was married to his first wife I Hannah Ackerman nee Stone, in 1800, they had around 9 children including a Henry born 1822 and a Jane born 1802. I then have a second marriage for William Jolliffe to Elizabeth March in 1828. Desperate to find out more about William Jolliffe, he died in 1838 in Bridport, the death certificate is very interesting. Would love to share any other information with you. I have the Ackermans going back in Bridport to around early 1700's
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carol8353
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Welcome to Rootschat History Girl.
I'm sure Bellbird will be thrilled to hear from you. I see he/she hasn't been on Rootschat since November.
You need to make at least 3 postings before you will be able to send a Personal Message,so if you reply to this one a couple of times ,you'll have your three
All the best
Carol
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History Girl
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Hi There, Thanks for the welcome, think I will need plenty of help on here. He He!
Hope that my information helps in some way too. Facinated by all the posts already
Regards 
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carol8353
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Don't worry about asking for help,no matter how daft it sounds
We've all been there. I suggest you read up on How to Use Rootschat.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,287.0.html
I think Bellbird might be in New Zealand she mentions Wellington in a previous posting. Of course it's already 2009 there,so she may not be online till later tonight(UK time)
To send a personal message, after you have 3 postings,click on the persons name in blue to the left of the page and then on the next page the sentence that says Send this member a personal message  or you can also click on the little green scroll immediately under their name.
Do let us know how you get on,I hope Bellbird didn't have too late a night seeing in the New Year
Carol
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History Girl
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Thanks for the info, most helpful, talking of New Year, glad I chose today to renew my interest in Family History, wishing you a Very Happy 2009, lets hope Bellbird makes a resolution to check the site out soon.
Regards
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