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History Girl
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After my post yesterday on William Jollife Ackerman, I have now found, thanks to several other posts on here, that, I was mistaken in thinking that my William Jolliffe Ackerman had been married twice, it now seems that WJA married to Elizabeth March was infact the SON of my WJA who was born in 1778, another generation in the 'blink of an eye' well almost. Many thanks to all the posts on here regarding WJA, I am still hoping to share this and other 'Ackerman' information with anyone who is tracing their Ackerman Roots.
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Springbok
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I wonder if you know this site which has helped me track back my branch in Dorset-- Old parish BMD Records. Especially if you have a rough idea of the village areas
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ackermanuk/index.html
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Dorset: Ackerman,Bungey,Bunter Chant,Hyle
Islington:Bedford, Eaton,Wilkins
Beds,Fulham: Brazier
Shoreditch: Burton,Coverdale
Essex ,Clerkenwell:Craswell,Cresswell
St.Lukes Middx:Doughty, Dunkley
Andover/IOW/Fulham:Gasser
Fulham: Neal
Bucks:Putnam,Wingrove
Bullwell.Notts:Wilkinson
Clerkenwell/Islington:Wyllie
Herts/ Tottenham/Walthamstow:Young
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bellbird
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Evening Historygirl Yes Carol's right i haven't been on line for a while. I got a bad rash with swollen legs, which Drs didn't know wat it was, have swallowed so many antibiotics to try and get rid of it. Taken until now for most of the swelling to go and itching lessened as has the swelling. Pills knocked me around so wasn't up to thinking much let alone trying to get my computer to spell correctly. Anyway to Ackerman's someone here in NZ sent me two types of family tree for Richard Ackerman Family beginning with him born abt 1675 married Mary Down at Holy Trinity Bradpole Dorset26/5/1702. I don''t know how accurate this is. It shows two William Jolliffe Ackerman, father and son. The second one married Elizabeth March 28/9/1828 at Bridport. They had 6 children. The two I was interested in was Jane and her brother Henry who came out here to NZ. Jane born 1834 (is my great grandmother) and was married in Bridport to John Powell Thomas Grant Webb 1855 Vol 5a Pag 707( doesn't always use all names and in NZ wanted to be known as Thomas) They came out to Wellington on the Soukar and lived in Upper Hutt, I don't have photos of either of them but would love one. Her brother Henry I haven't traced his arrival yet but apparently came out on a Colonial assisted passage and I think there were other ties too. He lived in Carterton East Coast (lower of North Island) where he was on a farm, not sure whether he owned one eventually as a family group photo I have of his shows at least 6 children at a celebration with a huge cake in front. Also have a photo of him alone. Haven't able to trace his family yet. Carterton Researcher has sent me photos of his, his wife, and I think daughter Alice.
William Junior, Jane, Matthew and Henry were born at Burton Bradstock. The oldest sister Marrianne and youngest Amelia were born in Bridport. See William Jolliffe Ackerman (snr) was married to Hannah and one of their sons was christened in Bridport 1/4/1812 - Edward. I noticed some of the early Webb family have Jolliffe in their names too. It has been recommended that I get marriage certificates at 7 pound each ( NZ dollar is not high against the Pound or Euro so would be between $21 and $25NZ each plus postage. so have been trying to do without. I have a photo helpfully labelled Grandads brother-in-law of a whitebearded gentleman at a ships wheel in what appears to be a captain's uniform there is a tall funnel behing him. Presumably it is an Ackerman or Webb in England. Not my mother's writing so presumably it could her mother or family member. My grandmother was Elizabeth and a cousin I've discovered mother is Mary of the John and Jane family. I only met two of Mum's sisters when little and one of their sons. I was sent a death announcement the other day of the son of the other Aunt, he was 89. So it is possible that apart from one other elderly person I am the only one left (that's mobile and with it anyway). I have never met any other family members. Similiar with Dad's family too. Hope to be able to find some of the generation after me but who will be more my age group and try to get an NZ Family Tree. Have you tried the site recommended by Springbok yet. In the UK you have two advantages we don't here, Census records and Parish records. Our Census records have always been destroyed here for privacy reasons, absolutely stupid, only have to wait 100 years before releasing them. Well it might be 8:15p.m but it is so hot and muggy I'm heading down stairs to a fan, be too hot to sleep much tonight. Last week out high temperature reading was 40 degrees. Catch you later BELLBIRD
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bellbird
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hISTORY GIRL See I made a boo boo in one sentence, The photos the Carterton Reasearcher sent me were of the gravestones of Henry, his wife Susan and an Alice who I guess might well be a daughter. BELLBIRD
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jendor
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Ok, here are the marriages...
21st April 1855, Bridport
John Powell Thomas Webb}full age}Bach......}Blacksmith}Robert Webb}Labourer
Jane Joliffe Ackerman.........}full age}Spinster}.................}William Ackerman}Cutter
11 May 1861, Bridport
Henry Joliffe Ackerman}22}Bach.}Flax dresser}William Joliffe Ackerman}Flax dresser
Susan Taylor...............}20}Spinster}...............}John Taylor}Labourer
As for Janes baptisim, I can't find it, perhaps she just got missed!?
William Jolliffe Ackerman was the son of William Jolliffe and Hannah...
William bap. 22 March 1801, Jane Allen bap. 25 Dec 1802, Susan bap. 04 July 1804, John bap. 19 June 1805, Mary Bap. 15 Apr 1807, John bap. 06 Jan 1810, Edward bap. 01 Apr 1812, then theres a big gap until Hannah bap. 28 Jan 1818 (buried 02 Jan 1820 aged 2) & finally Henry bap. 05 1822... all in Bridport.
Now this is where things differ, Historygirl has William Jolliffe and Hannah Stone marrying in 1800, historygirl where did you get your info' from?
The parish register has the following...
William Jolliffe Ackerman and Hannah Allen married 06 Aug 1800, witnesses Thomas Sheppick & William Richards
Then children as follows, all born Bridport children of John Ackerman and Ann Bowring
John bap. 20 Aug 1769, Jane bap. 05 Nov 1770, Ann bap. 21 Apr 1772, John bap. 12 Sep 1773, Fanny bap. 20 Nov 1774, Sarah bap. 19 Jan 1776, Susannah bap. 06 Jul 1777, William Jolliffe bap. 19 Jul 1778, Mary bap. 15 Sep 1779
John Ackerman married Ann Bowring, 30 Oct 1768, witnesses William Pachen & John Jacobs.
Next up, I need to check this a bit more, there is a John Akerman bap 27 March 1749, brothers lawrence bap 1746 and Hugh bap. 1750, and a sister born in Powerstock called Joan, baptised 23 Nov 1744, they were children of John Ackerman of Bridport and Joan Travis of Powerstock who married at Powerstock on 03 Dec 1743.
William Jolliffe married Joan Ackerman 18 Nov 1770, witnesses Lawrence Ackerman & John Jacobs, then the following week...
Lawrence Akerman married Sarah Denziloe, 25 Nov 1770, witnesses Benjamin Gilford & John Jacob
So am thinking this is where the Jolliffe name came in.
Am going to root through the rest I have here and come back to it.
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Brickwalls... Dean in Brecknock, Freeman in Bedfordshire
Working on my girls tree...
Richer (Essex & suffolk)
Legg, Hunt, Ellis, Wareham (Dorset, Blandford & abouts)
Cannell , Cowley, Christian (Liverpool & Isle of Man)
Sherwood, Jeff/e, Bland, Sharrard (New forest)
Also interested in Paradise/Paradice in Gloucestershire
Trying to figure out the Davis family of Winterborne Abbas and where they originated (before about 1780)
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bellbird
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Jendor Thanks for your input, will need to put more time into to make sure I have it right. However I have come across what appears to be a hiccup here. This is my quandry. I had traced Jane Jolliffee Ackerman on IGI as being part of William Jolliffe's Ackerman's family. Six Children said to be in the family. First two born Bridport, next 3 Burton Bradstock, last one Bridport. Jane shown as being born in 1834 and Henry 1838 in Burton Bradstock. His gravestone in Masterton area (NZ) shows he was born in 1838 in Burton Bradstock. Henry is Jane's brother as in a site called Papers Past here there was a court report of Henry's visit to Jane where he threatened "to do for her" burn her house down" Her husband John Powell thomas Grant Webb known as Thomas here was halfway across the Hutt River and couldn't rescue her however neighbours did Also said she'd got him out here on false pretenses, owed him money. Obviously caused great upset in the family as when my Grandmother Elizabeth shifted into the same district as Henry with her husband Samuel Cranch she was cut out of Jane's Will. Also her children and some of Henry's went to the same school.   So when you did your research, did you come across Janes birth records which should show her parents names. Otherwise maybe the Marriage Certificate. I am unable financially to buy Certificates as with the currency difference between NZ and UK it means it is now more than 3 times the cost to you in NZ dollars. Any help with further information would be appreciated. Whoops forgot the problem. Jane's death certificate says father HENRY !!!!!! Maybe family member put her brothers name by mistake or the Clerk did. BELLBIRD
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jendor
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Hi
The information on Jane and Henry was taken directly from the marriage certificates i.e. the history centre's microfilm copies of the original register they hold. I didn't find Jane but only had time to look at Bridport and Burton so she could be somewhere else.
Death certificates are notorious for those kind of mistakes, it never ceases to amaze me what little children know about their parents, mine are pretty much ok on birthdays but ask them a year for anyone other than me, their father or granny and they'd be stumped.. my friends brother gave the wrong maiden name for his mother and it took ages to fix.
I was going to go down to Dorchester on Tuesday but couldn't because of the snow!
It's raining and sleeting here now, but 10 odd miles up the road in Shaftesbury and Gillingham they are snowed in... oooh... forget that it's snowing really heavy again.
Jen
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Brickwalls... Dean in Brecknock, Freeman in Bedfordshire
Working on my girls tree...
Richer (Essex & suffolk)
Legg, Hunt, Ellis, Wareham (Dorset, Blandford & abouts)
Cannell , Cowley, Christian (Liverpool & Isle of Man)
Sherwood, Jeff/e, Bland, Sharrard (New forest)
Also interested in Paradise/Paradice in Gloucestershire
Trying to figure out the Davis family of Winterborne Abbas and where they originated (before about 1780)
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bellbird
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Morning Jendor or evening for you I guess Thanks for your input again and efforts on my behalf. We get snow here in the Winter but it never lasts long and the last fall that closed things down was years ago. Might 3 to 6 cms usually and it melts quickly. View across the Southern alps is always great in the Winter. To Jane as I've said the only record I've seen of her birth is on IGI with the rest of the family. She like Henry was born at Burton Bradstock and was four years his senior being born in 1834. "Tis a mystery as to where records of her birth are. She certainly was because we are  History girl has contacted me by personal message board so she may not have seen your comment re the marriage of the Williams. I presume that if i make a reply to her on the PM it will go to her PM. Amateur at computers and programmes here. Hope you didn't get snowed in BELLBIRD
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Kalodyne
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Hi , I am Gilbert Bathfield from Mauritius.
May be this link might help you.
Google search :FIBIS.
In quick search , enter Jane Bathield and you will learn that Jane , one of my ancestors , married Frederick Jolliffe in 1819.
All the best from Mauritius.
Gilbert.
Hi Bellbird, At a quick (very!) glance, there are 3 possibilities that I've seen on IGI ( www.familysearch.org): 1) Jane Ackerman Birth: 1840 Bridport, Dorset, England Parents: Father: Henry Ackerman Mother: Martha Chalker 2) Jane Akerman Christening: 02 NOV 1843 Broadwinsor, Dorset, England Parents: Father: Samuel Akerman Family Mother: Sarah 3) Jane Ackerman Birth: 1846 Mosterton, Dorset, England Parents: Father: David Ackerman Mother: Selina You might also check the Dorset OPC site ( http://www.opcdorset.com/) for the parishes listed here to see if they have marriage records, and IF they contain the couple you're looking for...otherwise you might have the unenviable task (trust me, I've done this one before...) of checking EVERY Dorset parish that has an OPC to see if you can find her. That being said, using ctrl-f to find a surname is a heck of a lot easier than ordering and searching parish registers which are hand-written!!! Hope this helps, Regards, Patricia |
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Adams , Bathfield , Schaw , Hosie , Jolliffe
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bellbird
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Hi Kalodyne Thanks for your message, I have Jane on other sites with her husband, JPTG Webb. She was born in Burton Bradstock as was her brother who also came out to NZ. Their relationship here was not amicable ending up in court when he had come down to Wellington and threatened to and tried" to do for her" according to the newspaper report on Papers Past NZ. Unfortunately she is buried in the same grave as one of her daughters and no details on a grave stone, had great trouble finding her as cemetery kept saying they didn't have her. They found her in their records eventually. Henry's gravestone has that he was born in Burton Bradstock in 1838, which confirms the entry in IGI and Jane was 4 years older and born in 1834. I guess Jane was missed out on the christening, maybe it was just afdter their move. Apparently their parents were asked to leave Bridport which they did and some years later returned to have more children there. Don't know the cause of the reason for them being asked to leave. I have been contacted by a member of the Ackerman family in England and they and other family members were very surprised to learn of Ackermans coming out to NZ. BELLBIRD
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