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Topic: Manitoba immigrants help please (Read 1207 times)
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bhaven
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I am looking for Robert KIpling Crump b.1902 & his mother Elizabeth Ann Crump b1870 in England.
I recently found they had sailed from Liverpool to Montreal in 1910 and was in the 1911 census for Selkirk ,Manitoba as follows:
28 98 Crump Eliza F Boarder W Nov 1870 40 1901
29 98 Crump Robert M Boarder S Oct 1902 8 1901.
I have tried to find them since but so far not successful. I would appreciate if anyone could point me in the right direction to find out what happened to them since. There are about 10 in Manitoba directory.
I am also struggling with why she would leave her family in Yorkshire as a widow with a small child to go to Manitoba. She was a teacher.
Jean
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Yorkshire: Myers, Ratcliffe, Crump, Simpson,Boocock,Varo, Gent, Winsby
Co.Durham: Waiting, Steel
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Janice M
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If they were going to stay with someone, it might say on the passenger list.
National Archive Canada - Passenger Lists
(Not transcribed, but they are free) Ship - Virginian arriving 1910
http://tinyurl.com/6gr4qb
Last name: Crump
First name: Elizabeth
Year of departure: 1910
Departure port: Liverpool
Ship name: Virginian
Destination country: Canada
Destination port: Montreal
Travelling with: Robert Crump
1911 Census
(just to help others when searching)
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=41443
Janice
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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Janice M
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You might also want to check out the Manitoba Vital Statistics site.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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J.J.
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Posts: 5988
Census Crown © www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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The site is down again, Janice   Oh, wait...Now it's working...
This would be a guess right now, but the massive migration into the west probably created a large demand for educators...Importing form Great Britain would help fill the need...Also there were many rural schools due to the large rural/farming population....
I would say she was a brave person to have crossed the ocean with a young son, looking to start a new life in Canada !...
It's hard to find someone after the censuses...but I'll keep my eyes peeled for them....
J.J.
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J.J.
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We have little online as far as cemetery transcriptions, but the MHs has done many towns and charges a small fee for a lookup...I'l get that url for you...
However, I just peeked at the 1911 census, and it says Selkirk,
Parishes of St. Clements and St. Peters east of Red River
So I don't think it is Selkirk the city, but Selkirk, the town?
East Selkirk Village is located in the Rural Municipality called St. Clements ...and
is directly across the Red River from Selkirk...which would be east of the Red
River...think that is how I read it
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Janice M
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Here is another site to keep an eye on.
Canada GenWeb Cemetery Project
http://cemetery.canadagenweb.org/MB/index.html
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Elder, Stewart, Johnston, Baskerville, Marks, Carson, Leitch, Bulloch, Thomson, Allen, Campbell, Gordon, Murray, Kelly, Chambers, Black, Cheyne, Youngson, Williamsdaughter, Anderson, Briggs, Pirie, Clark, Philp, Mannel, Lander, Rough, Lean, Bate, Lanxon, Brown, Oliver, Kitt, Shards, Bennet, Young, Petrie, Wylie, Herbertson, Martin, McAlister, Best, Ginn, Ross, McIntosh, McGillivray, Russell, Pettigrew, Fyfe, Barrie
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mbiggar
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Possible death registration for Elizabeth Crump in Manitoba on the Vital Statistics website:
Elizabeth Harr Crump died Aug 7, 1926, aged 54 . Death registered in Virden, Manitoba. Reg no. 1926 - 038049.
Copies are $12 from Vital Statistics. They take ages to process requests though, even when it's just a photocopy needed and all other info provided (last request I made took over 2 months to receive).
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Godden/Godding Gallop from Sussex to Australia; Gelston from Ireland to Australia; Biggar from Scotland to Canada; Green from Ireland to Canada; Hodgkinson from Sheffield to Canada; Others in Australia - Powell, Doran, Pike, Ferriday, Bourke, Rumble, Whisler; Others in Canada - Bigham, Orr, Fairlie, McKay, McPhail, Kauffman
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bhaven
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Thank you, I wonder if that is her? Her name was Elizabeth Ann Crump but I have seen it Eliz a, Eliza etc. I suppose if I find the cemetery then may get more info on her. I have sent for Elmwood Cemetery lists as there was a Crump named. I wonder why Vital Statistics take so long?
Jean
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Yorkshire: Myers, Ratcliffe, Crump, Simpson,Boocock,Varo, Gent, Winsby
Co.Durham: Waiting, Steel
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mbiggar
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Not sure why they take so long... I get info from Australia more quickly than Manitoba!
There were only a small number of other Crumps listed in the Manitoba database. It is also worth checking other western provinces, as Winnipeg was the gateway all immigrants went through to the west. Many people stayed briefly in Wpg and then moved on.
I checked ancestry.com for Eliza and Elizabeth Crump and Robert Crump and variations of the last name. There are no interesting entries after 1911 in western Canada that match info you have provided. I thought there might be a border crossing record somewhere, as people travelled back and forth from Wpg to the US and Vancouver to Seattle.
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Godden/Godding Gallop from Sussex to Australia; Gelston from Ireland to Australia; Biggar from Scotland to Canada; Green from Ireland to Canada; Hodgkinson from Sheffield to Canada; Others in Australia - Powell, Doran, Pike, Ferriday, Bourke, Rumble, Whisler; Others in Canada - Bigham, Orr, Fairlie, McKay, McPhail, Kauffman
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J.J.
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Be careful ordering from Manitoba vitstats, as they not only take a long time, they have doubled their prices....now 25.00 per transaction...
Also there was an Elizabeth in Brandon of the same age...and Brandon is closer to Virden, so that is not guaranteed to be the right person...and there are no guarantees or refunds for incorrect or unfound data...
have heard some complaints lately...one fellow spent 75.00 and received nothing....so am passing it on..
I am happy that we all have access to this information, but their great database in the beginning has gone belly up lately, and the raising of prices doesn't seem to suit the lack of response lately...
.J.J.
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