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threestones
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 20:40 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi,
I'd be interested in comparing notes - I have bits and pieces that may be of use (some better researched than others), but I suspect you've probably got most of it already. Give me a shout anyway.
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mrsaird
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 December 08 22:44 UTC (UK) » |
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my grandfather was a James Gordon, son of Isabella McDonald and John Gordon born in Gaugh or is it Gauch or Daugh in 1895. How do you pronounce this place name?
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 December 08 23:29 UTC (UK) » |
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Wilma
See all this new found knowledge I now have on Cabrach down to your James Gordon 
Stuart, I'm sure you have come across this link already but for Wilma's benefit in case she hasn't. threestones, not connected to this site are you  given that it carries your user name?!
www.threestones.co.uk/books/index.html
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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threestones
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 09:33 UTC (UK) » |
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Yes, it's my site - a little hobby that I can put down/pick up when I've got the time
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 09:43 UTC (UK) » |
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A little hobby ...that's a massive amount of work you have done - well done you!
Monica
PS: Welcome to RootsChat
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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mrsaird
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 22:58 UTC (UK) » |
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thanks for the link Monica have just looked at some of the content. I have now sorted out some of Granda's roots. It has been an interesting journey. Still some searching to do. My sister in law and I all being well are proposing to make a trip there next summer. it is so strange but reading about the Cabrach is bringing back memories and names places and people that I must have heard in my childhood as they seem so familiar. Its a pity I did not listen more :-))
regards Wilma
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 December 08 23:36 UTC (UK) » |
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I'm not sure about the pronunciation of Gauch (Gaich, Geach). Threestones is the man to answer that since his people are still in the Cabrach.
Your grandfather James Gordon was the illegit son of James Gordon, an ag. lab at Greenlone, and Isabella McDonald domestic servant. I don't know which James Gordon was the father, but his signature does appear on the birth certificate.
5 yr-old James appears in the 1901 census at Gauch with his maternal grandmother Beatrix (more commonly Elizabeth) Gordon. Her daughter Isabella McDonald (b 18 May 1869 at Gauch) was one of 2 illegitimate children she had with a John McDonald who was resident at Largue in 1856 when the first child James was born.
Elizabeth Gordon (10 Mar 1835 - 21 Jan 1918) was one of 3 children born at Gauch to Alexander Gordon & Elizabeth McDonald (married 1832 in Cabrach). She died at Largue.
Elizabeth McDonald born 6th Jul 1799 at Cromdale, Moray, died 31st Mar 1890 at Gauch.
Alexander Gordon b 8th Jul 1786 at Gauch, died 2nd Jul 1878 at Gauch. One of 10 children to John Gordon (died 27 Jul 1813 age 70) & Isobel Scott (died 1818 age 71). Most of their children were born at Gauch, but the first, in 1765 was at Alduny, which is probably where Isobel Scott was born. She was a daughter of Alexander Scott and Anna Henry, and Alexander was the son of John Scott the 7x gt-grandfather of "Threestones". You are probably also directly related to me, since I have Scott and Henry ancestors in Cabrach.
All the placenames mentioned apart from Greenlone are in Upper Cabrach, traditionally the Aberdeenshire part of the parish.
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All Cabrach, Fyvie, Methlick in Aberdeenshire
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mrsaird
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 01:10 UTC (UK) » |
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Thanks for all this. I have only just started researching my Gordon connections. My mother was a Gordon. My granda lived with us on and off when I was young but I moved away from home when I was sixteen and I was out of touch with my Gordon relations. I am very grateful for all the help I have been given just found this site by trawling through the Internet and its been great.
I find family history fascinating but it is so time consuming, thank goodness for the pc. i am uploading a photo of granda i do not know why he is in the Seaforths and not the Gordons, I imagine it must be in WW1.
Hello to a new found relation by the way.
regards Wilma
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jobucoth
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 09:24 UTC (UK) » |
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I wonder if you can help me. I am an Englishman trying to help my Welsh brother-in-law trace his Scottish ancestors.
His gtgt grandfather was John Watt born 29 Aug 1821 in Cabrach, his wife was Annie Brodie c1835, place unknown. John Watt had 5 siblings:-
Margaret c1818, possibly married James Jessiman.
Janet c1822
Beulvin c1831 (name as appears on Ancestry)
Helen c1833
Mary c1835
If you could help with any information we would be very grateful.
Roy
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 03 December 08 17:32 UTC (UK) » |
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Sorry but I know of no John Watt born 29 Aug 1821. The Margaret Watt who married James Jessiman was bapt 27 Jul 1816, daur of James Watt & Margaret Kellas. She had 13 known siblings including the 4 present at the 1841 census at Nether Ardwell in Lower Cabrach - Beatrix 1829, Helen 1832, Mary 1834 (who was with the Jessimans in 1851) and John 30th Nov 1818 (enumerated as age 20, rounded and not actually specified as son of the widow Margaret Kellas).
According to a transcription of a grave at Wallakirk, in next-door Glass parish, John the son of James W and Margaret Kellas died in 1847. Alternatively, according to the diary of John Taylor, John the son of the late James Watt died 26th April 1840 at Nether Ardwell.
Looking at IGI results for birth of John Watt in 1821 in Scotland, the nearest I can see is birth 19 Aug in Cathcart, Renfrewshire.
In the 1851 census at Haremire, Kinnethmont parish in Aberdeenshire there is a 28yr-old John Watt, unmarried ag lab, born Cabrach Banffshire who I have NOT identified.
I cannot find a marriage John Watt to Annie Brodie, even on Scotlandspeople using J* Wat* & Ann* Brod*.
Could you give more info? Where did you get the birth date? Marriage details?
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All Cabrach, Fyvie, Methlick in Aberdeenshire
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jobucoth
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 December 08 19:16 UTC (UK) » |
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Thank you for your very full reply.
The birth date, 29 Aug 1821, was written in a family bible, when written I don't know.
I traced John Watt back through the Welsh census returns, on all of them it just says born in Scotland.
I found the 1851 entry, on Ancestry, that you mention and hoped the 1841 census might be his family but obviously not.
I am afraid I have no information about their wedding.
Thank you again for the time and effort that you have put in.
Roy
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millies son
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 December 08 17:18 UTC (UK) » |
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I think you found another distant relative. I too have just resumed digging into "The Gordons" now that Scotlands People have made more censuses etc accessible.
My great grandfather, Peter Gordon was living in Gauch in 1851 and 1861 with his brother John Gordon as the 'Head' of the family, his father, John, being deceased by then. Beatrix Gordon was aged 30 in 1861, also living with them.
Also in the house were Margaret simpson aged 17 - niece of John, and Peter McWilliam, aged 11 in 1861 , nephew of John
My greatgrandfather, Peter, was born in 1833 and married in 1871 to an Elsie Milne at Glenlivet.
There is a parish record from 01.06.1833 which says that on May 26th 1833 John Gordon and Jean Forbes had a son in Guach baptised and named Peter. Witnesses were Peter Gordon and Alexander Gordon.
Anything you can tell me other than the above would be very interesting.
I don't understand what is "The Gauch". Is it one house/farm/croft, or a group of houses/village? There seem to be an awful lot of Gordons there.
Have you seen the photographs of Gauch at www.flickr.com/photos/slackeratslack/2815416598/
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 December 08 17:22 UTC (UK) » |
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Please see my message to mrsaird. My greatgrandfather was Peter Gordon of Gauch born 1833, died 1913 (I think).
Please tell us more about Gauch.
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 December 08 21:12 UTC (UK) » |
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Gauch is at the southern end of the habitable part of the Cabrach, sitting at the foot of the hills which separate the parish from Glenbucket and Towie to the south. Immediate neighbours were Reekimlane, Aldivalloch, Bowmans and Aldunie. Sitting at an altitude of 1150ft, the farm would have concentrated on sheep & cattle rather than crops.
John Gordon & Elspet Milne had 4 chilren at Geach 1738-1749, the first, John being at "Reckomlane of Geach". The mother is not named for the 1st 2, John & James 1738 & 1741.
John Gordon (b ca 1743) & Isobel Scott had children there 1768-1786.
His son John Gordon & Jean Forbes had children there 1813-1833.
Another son Peter had children at Reekimlane with Helen Lindsay.
Daughter Beatrix (1767-1864) married William Bain and had children at Poneed & Little Bracklach 1790-1810.
Another son Alexander Gordon (1786-1878) had 3 children at Gauch between 1833 & 1837 with Elizabeth McDonald. One daughter Isobel (1833-1913) married William Gordon of Largue and had 8 children at Gauch between 1852 & 1863 then 6 in Auchindoir parish. A son Alexander had 3 children at Gauch 1833-1837 with Helen Aird.
William Gordon (son of Jean Forbes) had 6 children with Helen McWilliam 1855-1865, the first at Aldivalloch, the rest at Gauch.
Alexander Gordon (son of Jean Forbes) had a son at Gauch in 1846 with Rebecca Walker, then 9 in Aberdeen 1850-1869.
Other lines of Gauch Gordons:
Isobel Gordon dr of Robert Gordon in Aldivalloch married an Adam Gordon 1759, had 4 children at Craigencat 1760-1765 then a further 7 at Gauch 1767-1782.
A Robert Gordon married Agnes Green of Leslie in 1759 and had 4 children at Gauch 1761-1766, then 1 at Tornichelt 1772.
Elizabeth Gordon & William McGregore/Gregore/Gregory had 4 children at Gauch 1748-55, then 2 at Tornichelt 1758-62.
The earliest records in the OPR are for the sons of John Grigor in 1724 & 1728.
The 1696 poll book has Peter Gordon & wife as tenants at Geach.
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