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mrsaird
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 11 December 08 22:51 UTC (UK) » |
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Thanks for this once more Stuart. I have now found out quite a bit of info regarding my Gordon ancesters. I have had an email from a Ian Gordon who is descended from the same family and he has kindly let me see his family tree. It has been so exciting and I never expected to find out so much in such a short time. Thanks for all your help. 
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 08 January 09 16:42 UTC (UK) » |
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...... doing similar study re neighbouring parish of Kildrummy, and are researching, amongst others, two Scott families originating from Cabrach :
Alexander Scott/Mary Robertson - children so far Ann (1777) + Alexander (1778) + David (1789), and
James Scott/Jean Forbes - children found so far (Elizabeth (1779) + Alexander (1785) + James (1787).......
Ysabeau
Before answering your query, if you are responsible for the Kildrummyfamiles website then congratulations on a very nice job. My own interest in the Cabrach started through my father who was born at Mill of Kildrummy. His grandparents were George Duncan and Ann Coutts who had the mill and were both descended from Alexander Duncan b at Drywells, Cabrach in Feb 1788.
The Scotts have been in Cabrach from at least the mid-C17th, traditionally associated with Aldunie in the Upper Cabrach. The first mention I have found is of a John Scot at Aldeunie who was one of a group of 12 parishioners who appeared before the Alford presbytery in 1673 to complain about their minister.
I have been unable to work out who were the parents of James Scott/Jean Forbes. None of their 3 known children were in the babtismal register, but they all appear at Aldunie in the censuses. 2 children James & Elizabeth never married and they lived together until Elizabeth's death 7th Nov 1858. James died a pauper 24 Jul 1867. Both deaths were at Aldunie. The other son Alexander also lived at Aldunie from 1823 to 1871, and previously at Hillock. He married Isobel Stephen of Huntly in 1813 and had 9 children in Cabrach.
Alexander Scott b25 Sep 1748 at Aldunie, husband of Mary Robertson was one of 4 children born at Aldunie to Alexander Scott and Anna Hen(d)ry. Alexander sr is known to be the son of John Scot, probably the one mentioned in 1673. Mary Robertson's children were :
1:Ann Scott who married William Ronald 1803 - their son James married Janet Scott daur of Isobel Stephen above.
2:Alexander Scott who married 1806 Jean Forbes dr of William Forbes & Jean Laird
3: David Scott who married 1816 Elspet Seivright.
I have attached descendants reports for these people. My own Scott ancestor in the Cabrach was Isabel Scott who married James Ferrior in 1764. She had various Aldunie Scotts as baptismal witnesses for her children.
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etakathy
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 17:25 UTC (UK) » |
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Researching Isobel (Isabella) STRACHAN, born 1771-1773, CABRACH, Banffshire. This is the place she listed on 2 later census'. She married William Patrick 20 Mar 1803 in Cupar, Fife. I am looking for her birthdate and parents and any other ancestors. Isabella is my husband's 4th Great Grandmother.
Kathy Dunn
Reno, Nevada, USA
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Leslie, Kinglassie, Auchterderran in Fife, other areas of Fife and Scotland
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dkpeddie
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Hi, I'm researching the PEDDIE/PEDIE/PEDDY family who lived in the Cabrach, in Belcherie/Bellcherie and Findouran, in the 18th century. I wonder if anyone knows anything about them? Based on all the posts in this thread, I'm wagering someone does.
The family seems to have left a pretty light mark in the parish records, though intriguingly there is a Peddie's Hill just a few miles to the east in the direction of Craig's Castle, and just south of Whitehillock, Longlands, and Tolophin. A family member has speculated that one of our ancestors met his (un)timely end there, hanged for illicit whisky distilling or some other crime. I haven't been able to find out anything about this toponym, apart from its name, location, and elevation.
I hope to figure out where the Peddies came from before they started to appear in the Cabrach OPR (see below), and also to determine whether they were in fact the progenitors of the Peddies who were crofters of Forgue in the 19th century--my established, documented line.
Here in chronological order are the entries from the Cabrach OPR (paraphrased by me):
1 Jan 1727 -- John bapt., son of John PEDIE in Belcherie
1 Jan 1727 -- [same event apparently, as recorded in the extracts] -- John bapt., son of John PEDDY in Bellcherie
12 Dec 1758 -- Alexander FIFE m. Christian PEDDIE (both of Cabrach), after regular banns
10 Dec 1759 -- Theodore PEDIE (of Cabrach) m. Janet BREMNER (of Strathdon), after banns
16 Apr 1762 -- John bapt., son of Theodore PEDDIE in Findouran & wife Janet BREMNER; witnesses John TAYLOR of [Milltown] of Lesmurdie & John Douglas in Findouran
18 Oct 1767 -- William bapt., son of Theodore PEDDIE in Bellcherie & wife Janet Bremner; witnesses William Smart & Robert Chrystie [sic] both in Bellcherie
4 Dec 1791 -- Theodore PEDDIE m. Jean MEARNS (both of Cabrach), after banns
31 Aug 1792 -- Margaret bapt., dau. of Theodore PEDDIE and Jean MEARNS; witnesses Margt. Smith in Bellcherie & Margt. Roach [?] in [Gris Hoane???]
Does anyone know anything about this family from monumental inscriptions, parish lore, etc.? The first Theodore, who is either the father of or the same person as the second one, is currently assumed to be the earliest known ancestor of my family, though the evidence is thin and in fact the name Theodore is never again repeated as far as I can tell. My best guess is that the family left Cabrach for Drumblade and Forgue near the end of the 18th century.
And if anyone can shed light on the aforementioned Peddie's Hill, that would be a bonus.
Thanks,
Daniel
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 21:52 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi, I'm researching the PEDDIE/PEDIE/PEDDY family who lived in the Cabrach, in Belcherie/Bellcherie and Findouran, in the 18th century. I wonder if anyone knows anything about them? Based on all the posts in this thread, I'm wagering someone does. I don't have much to add except the origin of the name Theodore may have been Theodore Gordon who was minister at Cabrach between 1731 and 1739. For nearly all of his tenure the baptismal and marriage records are missing. |
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dkpeddie
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 24 February 09 23:25 UTC (UK) » |
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Thanks so much, Stuart; that may be a helpful lead.
It brings to mind a question I've had while trying to make sense of these Cabrach Peddies. Based on your research experience, is it possible that what I'm seeing in the parish records is a 'village name' or nickname of an ancestor, as opposed to his original baptismal name? I've often wondered whether 'Theodore' was another name (maybe even a middle name that 'took over') for the John son of John b. 1727 (see list in my original post). I'm trying to think of all the possibilities as I reconstruct the chronology.
By the way, there's another Peddie-Gordon connection--tho' it probably doesn't mean much, this being Gordon country after all. My 4x ggf John Peddie, perhaps the son b. 1762 to Theodore and Janet in the list, later married Bessy Gordon 12 Mar 1786 in Drumblade.
I say 'perhaps' the son of Theodore because, although most genealogies have him as such, for some reason the Pedigree Resource Files want him to be the child b./chr. 9 Apr 1735 to a John Peddie in Drumblade. I haven't been able to find such an entry in the Drumblade OPR. Maybe I missed it. But at this point I have no idea where that PRF is sourcing from.
Finally, can we confirm that Peddie's Hill has always belonged to Auchindoir and Kearn, or did the boundary with Cabrach around those parts change dramatically? Do you think there's historical info. about this in a gazetteer or other source? I haven't been able to find anything yet, but I may not know all the good materials.
Thanks again.
Daniel
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 25 February 09 00:07 UTC (UK) » |
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Peddie's Hill definitely well inside Auchindoir. The Cabrach borders never really changed apart from the union with Strathdoveran well before any genealogical records, and are all defined by hills except the boundary with Glass.
Definitely no "village" or nicknames in the Cabrach OPR, or anywhere else I have looked at.
Theodore Peddie was at Nether Ardwell in Jan 1764, as baptismal witness for the birth of Elizabeth Grant daur of James Grant & Isabell Robb at Upper Ardwell. In Feb 1768 he is at Bellcherie.
Origins - if there are no clues from baptismal witnesses in the OPRs, and no graves, then one possibility is a mention in the Kirk Session. Unfortunately not available online, but can be viewed on intranet at the National Archives in Edinburgh. These are especially useful for identifying the parents of illegitimate children, where the parents are "encouraged" to marry. Also there, post 1855 baptismal records (as opposed to birth certificates).
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dkpeddie
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 25 February 09 00:09 UTC (UK) » |
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Great info ... thanks so much!
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dkpeddie
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 25 February 09 02:07 UTC (UK) » |
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A quick follow-up for anyone interested in the history of a toponym
There's an entry for Peddie's Hill in John Milne's Celtic Place-names in Aberdeenshire (1912). I haven't read the description in full--it's shown only as a snippet at Google Books--but according to Milne, the name comes from the Gaelic "Tom Paite," or "hill of the hump," which later, through anglicization, I guess, was taken or mistaken to be a personal description, i.e. Tom Paite's hill. Apparently this evolved into Peddie's Hill--maybe because of the presence of the family in the area.
Google Books = fantastic
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 08 March 09 12:57 UTC (UK) » |
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Researching Isobel (Isabella) STRACHAN, born 1771-1773, CABRACH, Banffshire. This is the place she listed on 2 later census'. She married William Patrick 20 Mar 1803 in Cupar, Fife. I am looking for her birthdate and parents and any other ancestors. Isabella is my husband's 4th Great Grandmother.
Kathy Dunn
Reno, Nevada, USA
Sorry but I can't tell you much about the Strachans.
I've just put my Cabrach research onto a website http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ - a genealogy for the whole parish including all the OPR data, census files, etc.
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USA Lass
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 23 April 09 01:01 UTC (UK) » |
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I am researching the family of Peter GRANT and Anne McPHERSON. According to the 1841 census, Peter was living at Ardluie with 2 of his daughters (Elizabeth and Jean), and there is no mention of Anne (she probably had died by then). Peter was listed as the Blacksmith. By 1851, ther is no mention of Peter.
I am descended from Peter and Anne son, John (I can't find a registration of his birth, but he was born between 1828 and 1832, I've seen dates within that range). According to John's marriage certificate, his parents were both deceased by the time of the marriage (in Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeenshire) in January 1859.
I found a satellite view of the Ardluie/Balymulloch area of Lower Cabrach, and am not sure if there were several dwellings at the site (it looks like a large farm now). All that is left of Balymulloch are the stone walls on 2 buildings.
Any idea where the family might be buried (they aren't in the Upper Cabrach churchyard, and I'm not sure where else they might be)? Any help with the family would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Lara
Wisconsin, USA
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Grant: Aberdeenshire, Banffshire
Morrice: Aberdeenshire
Smith: Aberdeenshire
Forbes:Aberdeenshire
Fraser: Aberdeenshire
Stewart: Aberdeenshire
Milne: Aberdeenshire, Forfar
Cadenhead: Aberdeenshire
Mathieson: Aberdeenshire, Forfar
Joyce: Co. Mayo, Ireland
Hawkins: Durham, Devon
Cummings: Northhumberland, Durham
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Stuart P
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Re: Cabrach
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 23 April 09 02:07 UTC (UK) » |
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I am researching the family of Peter GRANT and Anne McPHERSON. According to the 1841 census, Peter was living at Ardluie with 2 of his daughters (Elizabeth and Jean), and there is no mention of Anne (she probably had died by then). Peter was listed as the Blacksmith. By 1851, ther is no mention of Peter.
I am descended from Peter and Anne son, John (I can't find a registration of his birth, but he was born between 1828 and 1832, I've seen dates within that range). According to John's marriage certificate, his parents were both deceased by the time of the marriage (in Kincardine O'Neil, Aberdeenshire) in January 1859.
I found a satellite view of the Ardluie/Balymulloch area of Lower Cabrach, and am not sure if there were several dwellings at the site (it looks like a large farm now). All that is left of Balymulloch are the stone walls on 2 buildings.
Any idea where the family might be buried (they aren't in the Upper Cabrach churchyard, and I'm not sure where else they might be)? Any help with the family would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Lara
Wisconsin, USA
Peter Grant in Bridgend had a child born about the beginning of February 1828, but did not apply for registration. This MAY be John as there is an ag lab born Cabrach of the right age at Culsh, Kildrummy in 1851. Another unregistered child born Bridgend about Jun 1830 is likely to be Jean Grant.
The OPR record for the birth of an illegitimate Adam Grant in 1853 names the father as John Grant son of Peter Grant in Ardluie. The only Peter Grant there in the 1851 census was a servant (ag lab) the husband of Elspet Dow born ca 1816 and actually the illegitimate son of Peter Grant the blacksmith and Elspet Mitchell.
Traditionally there has been a smithy at Bridgend within living memory and it looks as though the Alluie smithy transferred to there.
An alternative burial place for Cabrach folk was at Wallakirk (sometimes called Dumeath) near Beldorney Castle in Glass parish to the east. There is in fact a Peter Grant, blacksmith, buried there who died 2nd Jul 1890 at Haugh of Glass age 73 but I don't know of a connection.
Stuart
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