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Topic: St Gregory's Church, Sudbury (Read 1854 times)
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yvorbiggun
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In her will made in 1850 my 3gGrandmother Sarah Jones who lived in North St Sudbury left instructions that she was to be buried in the family vault at St Gregory's Curch where her husband James (Died 1840) and several of their children were already interned. Sarah died in 1853.
Is there anyone in Rootschat land who either lives in Sudbury or is familiar with St Gregory's who might know whether that vault may still be in existence?
From his will made in 1830 James was obviously quite a wealthy man whose Building and carpentry business operated in North St. It is possible that the vault if it still exists may also contain the remains of their son William who carried the family business on until he died in 1883. Another possible is Emily Sewell who was one of James and Sarah's daughters. She died in Sudbury also in 1883.
Thanks in anticipation.
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suffolk*sue
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Catherine Sandys, I WILL find out where you went.
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From the NBI
Emily SEWELL
Date of burial: 3 May 1883
Age at death: 69
Place of burial: Sudbury Cemetery
Suffolk
William JONES
Date of burial: 8 Feb 1883
Age at death: 80
Place of burial: Sudbury Cemetery
The borough cemetery opened in the 1850s.
I can tell you that a lot of the tomb stones in St Gregorys are unreadable, but could have a look for you if you like.
Any excuse for a tramp around a graveyard. 
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yvorbiggun
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Hi Sue,
Thank you for that info. That would indeed be the correct Emily Sewell nee Jones. She obviously isn't buried with her perents in the family vault.
Dave
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yvorbiggun
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Hi again Sue,
Just spotted that you found William too.
Apologies for mis-spelling parents.
Dave
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suffolk*sue
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I could look round the cemetery as well. Did Emily have monied connections, if so more likely to have a gravestone, What was her husbands name?
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yvorbiggun
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Sue,
I am obviously not having a good evening.
If you do happen to find yourself in St Gregory's graveyard I would be more than grateful if you could have a look for me.
James and Sarah were very prolific. I know of at least 17 of their children but there may well have been more born between 1799 and 1820.
Emily Sewell is an odd one. I know that she married a James sewell who I think may have been born in either Great or Little dunmow is Essex. In 1841 he and Emily are in Sudbury living with Sarah. He is a baker. They then appear to have had 3 sons all born in Dunmow in the 1840's but the family cannot be seen in 1851 because the census returns for Dunmow are known to have been lost. In 1861 James is dead and Emily and the sons are living in Seaton Carew, Durham. One of her sisters also lived there.
The sons married and stayed there but Emily returned to Sudbury to live with her brother William. I don't know her financial situation but I suspect that William like his father before him had a bit of brass. He was unmarried.
In his will James left £100 to each of his 13 surviving children and £60 each to 3 grandchildren whose parent (one of James & Sarah's offspring) had already died. £100 then = £4,900 now.
Unfortunately none of the money lasted long enough to reach me (lol).
Dave
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suffolk*sue
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Catherine Sandys, I WILL find out where you went.
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I'll see what the weather is like tomorrow, its been diabolical today.
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yvorbiggun
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Cheers Sue, look forward to hearing from you.
Dave
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suffolkmawther
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Hello Dave,
I have checked White's for 1844 and Mrs Sarah Jones is listed for North Street on the first list for professional/gentry. There are a couple more in the tradesmen listing - William Jones of North Street Joiner (son?), Alfred Jones a baker, no street given.
I took some photographs of what was a bakers belonging to the Wilson family on the corner of North Street and New Street some years ago for a researcher in Canada.
If we can locate the premises of the Jones family I can take a photograph (while Sue puts on har water boots and traipses around St Gregory's churchyard for yew, dew yew moight need yewr brollie too little ode gal  )
I have a connection to Edmund Maclean Sewell born Great Bardfield, Essex, father James who was a Surgeon.
SM ...
PS for Sue, I should have taken a soft bristle brush with me for my visit to Brent Eleigh a couple of weeks ago for a Rootschatter, lots of lichen on the headstones there.
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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yvorbiggun
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Hi SM,
Thank you for contacting me.
Sarah lived at number 8 North St. That is indeed her son William who lived next door at number 9. There were two other sons, Henry (My 2gGrandfather) and John also living in North St in 1841. I believe that next door to Williams house was The Four Swans Inn. I am told that in Pigots 1830 directory of Suffolk there is an entry mentioning James Jones and Son Carpenters in North St. The 1844 directory you mention is a new one on me, Is there anywhere online that I could view it?
I don't think that the Alfred Jones (Baker) that you mention was a relation. Sarah and James did have a son named Alfred but in 1841 and 1851 I have him as a vellum binder living in Clerkenwell middlesex.
In the message that I sent to Sue giving details of Emily Sewell I made a mistake. Her husbands name was Joseph not James. In 1841 Joseph's age would have been 25-29.
Any further information or input from yourself would be gratefully received.
Dave
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Oh dear 
The Four Swans burnt down several years ago and that area of North Street has been rebuilt (New Look and M&Co fashion shops now).
Have a look through
http://www.sudburysuffolk.co.uk/photoarchive/
to see if any old piccies of North Street.
I will be happy to take photographs of the area today - but will not be of much use to you.
White's Directories and Gazeteers cover several counties.
Many years ago my husband gave me a leather bound original 1855, but as I had to have that completely rebound a couple of years ago I tend to use the 1844 re-print (sadly not easy to find anymore, saw one at second hand book shop for GBP100.00 recently).
Listed in order of Hundred, then by parish, each parish then has the wealthier people listed first and then all the tradespeople by trade/profession. Copies on open shelves at the three branches of the SRO.
I am off to the office today, back later.
I live near to Sudbury in a different direction to Sue
Pat ...
www.slhc.org.uk (the office)
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Just remembered 
When Archive Books was still operating, there were CDs of the White's Directories. You might try Googling to see if any are available to buy.
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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And another thing
Going in the opposite direction from the former Four Swans, across the alleyway (now closed off), the modern shop is in an older building.
It's always best to look up when wandering around Sudbury 
Really am going off to the office.
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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http://www.sudburysuffolk.co.uk/photoarchive/viewimage.asp?id=307
Shows the Four Swans in North Street.
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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yvorbiggun
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Hi SM,
In the 1851 census Sarah's son John is shown as an Inn Keeper in North St. Unfortunately in that census the house numbers are not shown but his residence is 4 buildings away from Sarah's who I know lived at number 9. I think that he was the keeper of The Golden Lion at number 13 North St as this is where he is in the 1861 Census.
By 1871 he had become a carpenter and was living at 9 Melford Rd. In 1881 he is still living there and his occupation is still shown as a carpenter.
I think that John may have been a bit of a blacksheep as in her will Sarah states that he should only be given his 13th share of her estate after he has repaid the money that she had loaned to him.
Dave
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